中國(guó)的殲-36 殲-50 新戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)的第一印象
China's J-36 & J-50 - First Impressions
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中國(guó)的殲-36 & 殲-50 - 第一印象
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It was on December the 26th, 2024, that images started to emerge from China of what appeared to be two new stealthy jets performing test flights. After a month, we still know little about these aircraft apart from what can be extrapolated from the vision available. Are these technology demonstrators, or developmental prototypes doing test flying before the production stage? We don’t know yet. We can be confident that China wanted the West to see these prototypes, an interesting play - sabre rattling at the very least. So, let’s very briefly dive into what we do know about this important reveal out of China.
2024 年 12 月 26 日，中國(guó)網(wǎng)絡(luò)開(kāi)始出現(xiàn)圖像，似乎是兩架新的隱形噴氣式飛機(jī)正在進(jìn)行試飛。一個(gè)月后，除了可以從現(xiàn)有的材料中推斷出的內(nèi)容外，我們對(duì)這些飛機(jī)仍然知之甚少。這些技術(shù)演示機(jī)或開(kāi)發(fā)原型機(jī)是在生產(chǎn)階段之前進(jìn)行試飛嗎？我們還不知道。我們可以確信，中國(guó)希望西方看到這些原型，這是一場(chǎng)有趣的游戲——至少是劍拔弩張。因此，讓我們非常簡(jiǎn)要地深入了解我們對(duì)中國(guó)這一重要披露。
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2024 年 12 月 26 日，中國(guó)網(wǎng)絡(luò)開(kāi)始出現(xiàn)圖像，似乎是兩架新的隱形噴氣式飛機(jī)正在進(jìn)行試飛。一個(gè)月后，除了可以從現(xiàn)有的材料中推斷出的內(nèi)容外，我們對(duì)這些飛機(jī)仍然知之甚少。這些技術(shù)演示機(jī)或開(kāi)發(fā)原型機(jī)是在生產(chǎn)階段之前進(jìn)行試飛嗎？我們還不知道。我們可以確信，中國(guó)希望西方看到這些原型，這是一場(chǎng)有趣的游戲——至少是劍拔弩張。因此，讓我們非常簡(jiǎn)要地深入了解我們對(duì)中國(guó)這一重要披露。
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Only a pilot and aircraft designer can appreciate how difficult it is to make a tailless plane fly. The science and tech behind these aircraft is insane.
只有飛行員和飛機(jī)設(shè)計(jì)師才能理解讓無(wú)尾飛機(jī)飛行有多么困難。這些飛機(jī)背后的科學(xué)技術(shù)簡(jiǎn)直令人難以置信。
Well said
說(shuō)得好
The Germans didn't have the advantage of today's computers with their flying wing design and yet they did it with the controls being manual or mechanical. With today's computers having control the planes control surfaces and thrust vectoring exhausts it's definitely easier to make a tailless plane than it was in WW2 era.
德國(guó)人在飛翼設(shè)計(jì)上沒(méi)有今天計(jì)算機(jī)的優(yōu)勢(shì)，但他們還是通過(guò)手動(dòng)或機(jī)械控制完成了這一設(shè)計(jì)。如今，計(jì)算機(jī)控制飛機(jī)的操縱面和推力矢量噴管，使得設(shè)計(jì)無(wú)尾飛機(jī)比二戰(zhàn)時(shí)期容易得多。
@pihermoso11 they also didn't have much success and they crashed killing the test pilots. The problem is stability with a tailless design. The Germans werent even the first to do it. Northrop was and similar issues of stability persisted. Computers made it possible.
他們也沒(méi)有取得太大成功，測(cè)試機(jī)墜毀并導(dǎo)致試飛員死亡。無(wú)尾設(shè)計(jì)的問(wèn)題是穩(wěn)定性。德國(guó)人甚至不是最早嘗試這一設(shè)計(jì)的，諾斯羅普才是，而且類(lèi)似的穩(wěn)定性問(wèn)題依然存在。計(jì)算機(jī)技術(shù)使這一設(shè)計(jì)成為可能。
I think modern control systems allow for this design to be reasonably achievable these days
我認(rèn)為現(xiàn)代控制系統(tǒng)使得這種設(shè)計(jì)在今天變得相對(duì)可行
@slickstrings What you are referring to is the Horten 229 V2 crash. The aircraft flew quite well and outperformed the Me-262 in a mock dogfight. However on one fateful day Erwin Ziller was flying at 800m and one of the engines failed. He is stated to have kept the speed up by attempting dives to try and regain speed (so the increased throttle from the remaining engine caused a slow banking spiral). However the prosumption is that he passed out from the fumes in the cockpit and the aircraft continued the spiral into the ground. If it werent for the lack of height to bail out and him becoming unconciouse he would have been able to land it if there was a large enough clearing (again a presumption dependent on even if there was an area to land below and that the fire from the engine did not reach the wooden wing structure increasing drag).
你提到的是霍頓229 V2的墜毀事故。這架飛機(jī)飛行得相當(dāng)好，并在模擬空戰(zhàn)中超過(guò)了Me-262。然而，在某一天，厄爾文·齊勒飛行時(shí)，飛行高度為800米，其中一臺(tái)發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)失效。據(jù)說(shuō)他通過(guò)嘗試俯沖來(lái)保持飛行速度（因此剩余發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)的油門(mén)增大發(fā)生了緩慢的盤(pán)旋）。然而，有人推測(cè)他可能是因機(jī)艙中的煙霧昏迷，飛機(jī)繼續(xù)盤(pán)旋墜向地面。如果不是因?yàn)樗叨炔蛔銦o(wú)法跳傘且昏迷，他本可以在有足夠空地的地方著陸（當(dāng)然，這個(gè)推測(cè)依賴于是否下方有適合著陸的空地，以及發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)火焰沒(méi)有燒到木質(zhì)機(jī)翼結(jié)構(gòu)增加阻力）。
@JohnFrumFromAmerica usa ngad is awesome. So awesome it was suspended last year because Sec Kendall said it was overbudget (300+m each in 2018 - add inflation for the last 6 years and it is now 388+m each), underdelivered, not able to keep up with tech from CN and no CCA ability. He said requirements needed to be redefined, rescoped and out for tenders in 2026. This means whoever LM-BM-NG-GD built the "demonstrator" did such a "great" job that it is back to the drawing board and up to the new administration to decide.
美國(guó)NGAD真是太棒了。如此之棒，以至于去年被暫停，因?yàn)榭系聽(tīng)柌块L(zhǎng)表示它超預(yù)算（2018年每架超過(guò)3億美元——加上過(guò)去6年的通貨膨脹，現(xiàn)在每架達(dá)到3.88億美元），交付不足，無(wú)法跟上中國(guó)的技術(shù)進(jìn)展，也沒(méi)有CCA能力。他表示，需求需要重新定義、重新規(guī)劃，并將在2026年重新招標(biāo)。這意味著，無(wú)論是洛馬、博弈、諾斯羅普-格魯曼，還是誰(shuí)負(fù)責(zé)制造“示范機(jī)”，他們的“出色”工作使得它不得不回到設(shè)計(jì)階段，新的政府將決定如何處理。
It just... so surreal to me. All of sudden, those things that I though still being a "potential", became an real aircraft that flying in real sky.
這對(duì)我來(lái)說(shuō)太不真實(shí)了。突然間，那些我曾認(rèn)為只是“潛力”的東西，變成了在真實(shí)天空中飛行的實(shí)際飛機(jī)。
@oot007 too awesome
太棒了
@bbharatillusion4574 YES Insane like the tosses who designe them.
是的，簡(jiǎn)直瘋狂，就像設(shè)計(jì)它們的人一樣。
It is even more diffcult to fly it at supersonic speed.
在超音速飛行時(shí)，飛行起來(lái)更加困難。
Yup. The thing may just be a flying mock, but it's flying, and that means the avionics at least are on point. China is basically now what we thought Russia was until recently.
沒(méi)錯(cuò)。這東西可能只是一個(gè)飛行模型，但它確實(shí)在飛行，這意味著至少航空電子設(shè)備是到位的。中國(guó)現(xiàn)在基本上就是我們最近認(rèn)為俄羅斯的那種情況。
Been done decades before, Chinese bot.
幾十年前就做過(guò)了，中國(guó)機(jī)器人。
@Sajuukits worthless to have flying tech demonstrator prototypes and not a military jet concept. China has a tailless FIGHTER flying which is completely different
擁有飛行技術(shù)展示原型卻沒(méi)有軍用戰(zhàn)機(jī)概念是毫無(wú)價(jià)值的。中國(guó)有一款真的無(wú)尾戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)在飛行，這完全不同。
@Sajuuk it's not new, but it's still an achievement, because it's not easy.
它不是新的，但它仍然是一個(gè)成就，因?yàn)檫@并不容易。
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@oot007usa has had tailless bombers for years its not that hard
美國(guó)多年來(lái)一直擁有無(wú)尾轟炸機(jī)，這并不難。
Flying wings were flying in the 40’s the difference is todays aircraft are designed to be unstable and controlled by fly by wire
飛翼設(shè)計(jì)在40年代就開(kāi)始飛行了，區(qū)別在于今天的飛機(jī)設(shè)計(jì)為不穩(wěn)定，并通過(guò)飛行線控系統(tǒng)進(jìn)行控制。
@weilam03 >"usa has had tailless bombers for years its not that hard"
“美國(guó)已經(jīng)擁有無(wú)尾轟炸機(jī)多年，這并不難”
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According to the criteria for Lockheed Martin (LM) to develop the F-22, the fifth generation aircraft must have stealth and be able to supercruise. So, the B-2 and B-21, which do not have supercruise capabilities (they do not meet the US definition of fifth generation), are now sixth generation?
You are still in the first stage, and there are four more stages to come.
是的，美國(guó)確實(shí)有這些強(qiáng)大的轟炸機(jī)，你們這些粉絲是不是把它們重新定義為第六代戰(zhàn)機(jī)了？
根據(jù)洛克希德馬丁開(kāi)發(fā)F-22的標(biāo)準(zhǔn)，第五代飛機(jī)必須具備隱身性，并能夠超音速巡航。那么，既不具備超音速巡航能力的B-2和B-21（它們不符合美國(guó)對(duì)第五代的定義）現(xiàn)在變成第六代了嗎？
你們還處于第一階段，接下來(lái)還有四個(gè)階段。
Factually incorrect on nearly every point.
First off - "rescoped and out for tenders in 2026" Just no, Kendall stated in regards to the "Air Force’s fiscal 2026 budget request" which obviously shows your level of intelligence i.e. that fiscal request comes from this year...
Secondly - He is worried about the actual end price for the NGAD planes, not that the project is "overbudget".
Thirdly - "not able to keep up with tech from CN and no CCA ability." Also factually incorrect, NGAD has always had CCA capability... No clue where you pulled that one from.
"This means whoever LM-BM-NG-GD built the "demonstrator" did such a "great" job that it is back to the drawing board and up to the new administration to decide."
Completely made up statement, it isn't back to the drawing board, the whole point of the break was to conduct an analysis to ensure that they are doing the right thing.... It never went back to the drawing board. They have almost completed their analysis and will give it to the Trump admin to decide what to do.....
在幾乎每一點(diǎn)上都是事實(shí)錯(cuò)誤。
首先，“重新規(guī)劃并在2026年重新招標(biāo)”完全不對(duì)，肯德?tīng)柼岬降氖恰翱哲?026財(cái)年預(yù)算申請(qǐng)”，這顯然顯示了你的智商水平——也就是說(shuō)，這個(gè)財(cái)年的申請(qǐng)是今年的……
其次，他擔(dān)心的是NGAD飛機(jī)的實(shí)際最終價(jià)格，而不是項(xiàng)目“超預(yù)算”。
第三，“無(wú)法跟上中國(guó)的技術(shù)進(jìn)展且沒(méi)有CCA能力”也是事實(shí)錯(cuò)誤，NGAD一直具備CCA能力……完全不清楚你從哪里得出的這個(gè)結(jié)論。
“這意味著，不管是洛克希德·馬丁、博弈、諾斯羅普-格魯曼還是誰(shuí)負(fù)責(zé)制造‘示范機(jī)’，他們做得如此‘出色’，以至于必須回到設(shè)計(jì)階段，新的政府將決定如何處理?！?br /> 完全是虛構(gòu)的說(shuō)法，這并沒(méi)有回到設(shè)計(jì)階段，暫停的目的是進(jìn)行分析，以確保他們正在做正確的事……它從未回到設(shè)計(jì)階段。他們幾乎完成了分析，將交給特朗普政府決定如何處理……
@oot007 "According to LM who developed the f22, a 5th gen plane must have stealth and be able to supercruise."
According to the US military, supercruise was never a 5th gen requirement, it was only an F-22 requirement.... yea, cheers for showing you don't know what you are talking about.
“根據(jù)開(kāi)發(fā)F-22的洛克希德·馬丁定義，第五代戰(zhàn)機(jī)必須具備隱身性并能夠超音速巡航。”
根據(jù)美國(guó)軍方的說(shuō)法，超音速巡航從來(lái)不是第五代的要求，只是F-22的要求……是的，感謝你展示了你根本不知道自己在說(shuō)什么。
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@oot007 FYI, their analysis's overall conclusion is supports NGAD.....
僅供參考，他們的分析總體結(jié)論是支持NGAD……
@oot007 "So now the subsonic B2 and B21 which does not meet the yooessay's definition of a 5th gen, is now a 6th gen?"
Northrop Grumman literally claimed it was the first sixth gen plane when they unveiled it multiple years ago.....
“那么，現(xiàn)在不符合美國(guó)定義的第五代的亞音速B-2和B-21，現(xiàn)在變成第六代了嗎？”
諾斯羅普·格魯曼在幾年前公布時(shí)確實(shí)聲稱它是第一架第六代飛機(jī)……
@themidlayer Yes..but subsonic design.. Tejas..
是的……但是亞音速設(shè)計(jì)……光輝（Tejas）……
@aflyingcowboy31 >"According to the US military, supercruise was never a 5th gen requirement, it was only an F-22 requirement"
copehard. It was LM that coined the term "5th gen" to market the f22 and sell it's "next gen" capability. The yooessay govt and their fanboys all went along with it and said that is part of the definition of a 5th gen. As predicted when the definition doe not suit them (such as the f35) they'll then change it so they can continue with their "USA USA USA is the best" world view.
>“根據(jù)美國(guó)軍方的說(shuō)法，超音速巡航從來(lái)不是第五代的要求，只是F-22的要求”
瞎扯。是洛克希德·馬丁創(chuàng)造了“第五代”這個(gè)詞來(lái)推銷(xiāo)F-22并賣(mài)它的“下一代”能力。
美國(guó)政府和他們的粉絲都跟著這個(gè)定義走，并說(shuō)這就是第五代的標(biāo)準(zhǔn)。正如預(yù)測(cè)的那樣，當(dāng)這個(gè)定義不適用時(shí)（例如F-35），他們會(huì)修改它，以便繼續(xù)堅(jiān)持他們的“美國(guó)第一”的世界觀。
@aflyingcowboy31 >"Northrop Grumman literally claimed it was the first sixth gen plane when they unveiled it multiple years ago"
Of course they did. When the definition when it does not suit them (such as the f35) the yooessay changes it so they can continue with their "USA USA USA is the best" world view.
There are 4th gen jets such as the Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale can supercruise. So now 6th gen planes have less aerial plane performance than a 4th gen.
>“諾斯羅普·格魯曼在幾年前公布時(shí)確實(shí)聲稱它是第一架第六代飛機(jī)……”
當(dāng)然，他們這么說(shuō)。當(dāng)定義不適用時(shí)（例如F-35），美國(guó)就會(huì)改變它，這樣他們可以繼續(xù)堅(jiān)持他們的“美國(guó)第一”世界觀。
像歐洲戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)臺(tái)風(fēng)和達(dá)索獵鷹這樣的第四代戰(zhàn)機(jī)都能超音速巡航。那么現(xiàn)在第六代戰(zhàn)機(jī)的飛行性能比第四代還差嗎？
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@darkzealot88 The USA is the best in the world because their patriots can wave their flags faster and longer than anyone else. Feel better now?
美國(guó)是世界上最棒的，因?yàn)樗麄兊膼?ài)國(guó)者可以比任何人更快、更久地?fù)]舞他們的旗幟?，F(xiàn)在感覺(jué)好點(diǎn)了嗎？
@SMcGee08 model 1 was 1929… Northrop had others in the 1930’s and 1940’s like the yf-49 as well…many other tailless aircraft have flown that would be considered stealth in the last 35 years…NGAD flew in 2020 to name one of the more recent…my personal view is the Chinese aircraft are closer to 4.5 Gen from what I witness…they resemble some US aircraft from 1984 like McDonnell Douglas A-12 II…the Chinese are definitely producing better aircraft and will continue to do so. I look forward to seeing what is to come from everywhere… Gen 6 are stealthy hypersonic networked hive minded aircraft to just touch the edge… give it a couple months and you will see a little more…
第一種是1929年…諾斯羅普在1930年代和1940年代還設(shè)計(jì)了其他機(jī)型，如YF-49……在過(guò)去的35年里，還有許多其他無(wú)尾飛機(jī)飛行過(guò)，它們現(xiàn)在被認(rèn)為是隱形的……NGAD在2020年飛行，這是其中一個(gè)較新的例子……我個(gè)人認(rèn)為，中國(guó)的飛機(jī)更接近4.5代，從我所見(jiàn)，它們類(lèi)似于1984年的美國(guó)飛機(jī)，如麥克唐納·道格拉斯A-12II……中國(guó)顯然正在制造更好的飛機(jī)，并將繼續(xù)這樣做。
我期待著看到未來(lái)各國(guó)的進(jìn)展……第六代戰(zhàn)機(jī)是隱身的高超音速聯(lián)網(wǎng)集群智能飛機(jī)，它們僅僅觸及了邊緣……再過(guò)幾個(gè)月，你會(huì)看到更多的進(jìn)展……
@oot007 "copehard. It was LM that coined the term "5th gen""
You realise that was in regards to the F-35 right.... man so dumb.
FYI Lockheed got that notion from the RUSSIANS who called the F-22 a 5th gen plane.... Like I said earlier, you don't know what you are talking about.
“瞎扯。是洛克希德·馬丁（LM）創(chuàng)造了‘第五代’這個(gè)詞”
你意識(shí)到那是針對(duì)F-35說(shuō)的嗎……真是太愚蠢了。
順便提一下，洛克希德是從俄羅斯那里獲得了這個(gè)概念，俄羅斯稱F-22為第五代飛機(jī)……就像我之前說(shuō)的，你根本不知道自己在說(shuō)什么。
@oot007 "Of course they did. When the definition when it does not suit them (such as the f35) the yooessay"
So when Lockheed coins the term 5th gen you ackowledge it, when Northrop coins the term 6th gen for the B-21:
You; WAAAAHHHH
“當(dāng)然，他們這么說(shuō)。當(dāng)定義不適用時(shí)（例如F-35），美國(guó)就會(huì)改變它……”
那么當(dāng)洛克希德創(chuàng)造了“第五代”這個(gè)詞時(shí)，你認(rèn)可它；但當(dāng)諾斯羅普為B-21創(chuàng)造了“第六代”這個(gè)詞時(shí)：
你卻說(shuō)：“哇啊啊！”
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@rocketeng1888 >"my personal view is the Chinese aircraft are closer to 4.5 Gen from what I witness"
If that is the case explain how the j20 had the awesome f35 on radarlock recently?
When has the yooessay produced a tail less fighter sized plane with swept back wings designed for supersonic flight?
>“從我所見(jiàn)，中國(guó)的飛機(jī)更接近4.5代”
如果是這樣，能解釋一下J-20最近如何在雷達(dá)上鎖定F-35嗎？
什么時(shí)候美國(guó)制造過(guò)無(wú)尾的、具有超音速飛行設(shè)計(jì)的、帶后掠翼的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)？
@oot007 "CCA drones may not be tied to NGAD, need line-of-sight control: Kendall"
You are not very bright are you:
"Frank Kendall said that while his service is “moving towards greater reliance on uncrewed aircraft,” it was a “question mark” as to whether the Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) fighter would control the Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA) drones."
You do realise he is talking about whether NGAD will be manned or unmanned right? He is stating that whatever plane controls CCA will need to be manned....
Also, what plane do you think would be controlling CCAs, man the low level of intelligence coming from you is amazing.
“CCA無(wú)人機(jī)可能不會(huì)與NGAD關(guān)聯(lián)，需要視距控制：肯德?tīng)枴?br /> 你真的不太聰明吧：
“弗蘭克·肯德?tīng)柋硎荆M管他的部門(mén)正在‘逐步增加對(duì)無(wú)人機(jī)的依賴’，但是否NGAD戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)將控制協(xié)同作戰(zhàn)飛機(jī)（CCA）無(wú)人機(jī)仍然是一個(gè)‘問(wèn)號(hào)’。”
你知道他在說(shuō)的是NGAD是載人還是無(wú)人機(jī)嗎？他說(shuō)的是，控制CCA的飛機(jī)必須是載人飛機(jī)……
另外，你覺(jué)得是什么飛機(jī)在控制CCA？你這低水平的智力真的讓人驚訝。
@oot007 "As the US Air Force goes back to the drawing board to decide what it wants from its much-anticipated next-gen fighter jet"
"美國(guó)空軍重新開(kāi)始設(shè)計(jì)，決定它從備受期待的下一代戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)中想要什么"
你意識(shí)到那不是肯德?tīng)柕囊脤?duì)吧？那是雜志這么說(shuō)的，但那并不是實(shí)際發(fā)生的事情，正如肯德?tīng)柋救怂U明的。
@aflyingcowboy31 >"So when Lockheed coins the term 5th gen you acknowledge it, when Northrop coins the term 6th gen for the B-21:"
"所以當(dāng)洛克希德提出5代機(jī)這個(gè)術(shù)語(yǔ)時(shí)你接受了，當(dāng)諾斯羅普為B-21提出6代機(jī)術(shù)語(yǔ)時(shí)："
>"你意識(shí)到那是指F-35吧"
完全像是出自一部查克·諾里斯電影——糟糕的喜劇。
"5代機(jī)"這個(gè)術(shù)語(yǔ)最初由洛克希德提出，用于推銷(xiāo)F-22及其“下一代”能力——超巡航和隱形能力。
戰(zhàn)斗企鵝35無(wú)法超巡航，所以它不符合制造商對(duì)5代機(jī)的定義。但當(dāng)然，這并沒(méi)有阻止強(qiáng)大的美國(guó)宣稱它是“最先進(jìn)的5代機(jī)”。
作為一個(gè)美國(guó)的死忠粉，你自然接受諾斯羅普對(duì)6代機(jī)的定義，這意味著你在說(shuō)6代機(jī)的動(dòng)力氣動(dòng)性能不如4代機(jī)。
"我是中央情報(bào)局局長(zhǎng)。我們?nèi)鲋e，我們作弊，我們偷竊。我們有完整的培訓(xùn)課程。它讓你想起美國(guó)實(shí)驗(yàn)的光輝"——中央情報(bào)局局長(zhǎng)和美國(guó)國(guó)務(wù)卿邁克·蓬佩奧
@jessec4677 Well said and 100% correct.
說(shuō)得好，100%正確。
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@oot007 lM armchair general copy paste everything in every chat, that's all you ever do bot boy
哈哈，坐在沙發(fā)上的指揮官，什么都復(fù)制粘貼，這就是你所做的一切，機(jī)器人男孩。
Pentagon worried about China 6 th Generation Jet, they couldn't be bothered with India Tejes, which is of no value.
五角大樓擔(dān)心中國(guó)的六代機(jī)，他們根本不在乎印度的光輝，那毫無(wú)價(jià)值。
@bbharatillusion4574 Fly slow so it doesn't turn backwards without tailfins.
飛得慢點(diǎn)，這樣它就不會(huì)在沒(méi)有尾翼的情況下反向轉(zhuǎn)彎。
I built one of those in KSP, and it's very difficult to not lose control while turning.
我在KSP中建了一個(gè)模型，轉(zhuǎn)彎時(shí)很難不失控。
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LM. The US has had tailless planes in operation for like 40 years and there were flying wing demonstrators going back to the 30s?
哈哈，美國(guó)已經(jīng)有40年在使用無(wú)尾翼飛機(jī)了，早在30年代就有飛翼示范機(jī)了？
@themidlayer LMOOOOOO bro please keep out when superpower nations are talking, indians should just sit an watch like their favorite bollytrash movies
哈哈哈，兄弟，當(dāng)超級(jí)大國(guó)在討論時(shí)請(qǐng)保持沉默，印度人應(yīng)該就像看自己最?lèi)?ài)的寶萊塢垃圾電影那樣坐著看。
@bohba13 if that's true, nato would establish a no fly zone over Ukraine but hey. Why don't the us go to Ukraine and send soldiers? You wanna invade Panama? Hahaha weak occupied yt people
如果那是真的，北約早就會(huì)在烏克蘭設(shè)立禁飛區(qū)了，不過(guò)嘿。為什么美國(guó)不去烏克蘭派兵呢？你想入侵巴拿馬？哈哈，弱小的占領(lǐng)者。
@pihermoso11 Germans tried but failed. It didn't work exactly for the reason you mentioned. It was too ahead of it's time
德國(guó)人試過(guò)，但失敗了。正如你所提到的原因，它超前了時(shí)代。
@Sajuuk you only have third gen Tejas designed by Europeans.
你只有由歐洲人設(shè)計(jì)的三代機(jī)光輝。
@bbharatillusion4574 B21 is tailless.
B21是無(wú)尾翼的。
@趙叁郎:
1、不要質(zhì)疑中國(guó)六代機(jī)，因?yàn)橹袊?guó)科學(xué)家是非常嚴(yán)謹(jǐn)?shù)?，這是中國(guó)軍事傳統(tǒng)，誰(shuí)敢作假將萬(wàn)劫不復(fù)。
2、中國(guó)不是擴(kuò)張性國(guó)家，一切以和為貴，但是，面對(duì)流氓國(guó)家，強(qiáng)盜行為，試圖侵占釣魚(yú)島，霸占中國(guó)的南海主權(quán)，還有些試圖搶劫中國(guó)的海外資產(chǎn)，那就要讓你看看我的刀鋒利不鋒利。
3、有人問(wèn)為什么中國(guó)科技發(fā)展這么快，你到中國(guó)看看就知道了，中國(guó)人比任何國(guó)家更加重視教育，中國(guó)人更加努力、勤奮，中國(guó)政府更加高效，還有改革的力量。
wrong. the amerikans werent the first. Germany was first.
錯(cuò)了。美國(guó)人并不是第一個(gè)。德國(guó)才是第一個(gè)。
飛翼 這種氣動(dòng)外形 誕生于 納粹德國(guó)
二戰(zhàn)結(jié)束后 美國(guó) 也做過(guò)試飛
以上兩個(gè)時(shí)期 還全是 純機(jī)械控制
你們倒退了 而不是我們進(jìn)步了！
@bbharatillusion4574 yup the b2 stealth bomber is a good example made by US in the 80s
是的，B2隱形轟炸機(jī)是美國(guó)80年代制造的一個(gè)好例子。
@robertojofre15 china bot
中國(guó)機(jī)器人
@jeffery7281 the USA B2 stealth bomber right?
是美國(guó)的B2隱形轟炸機(jī)吧？
@pihermoso11 and the Americans claim they invented stealth but in reality ahem paper clip kickstarter …
美國(guó)人聲稱他們發(fā)明了隱形技術(shù)，但實(shí)際上，咳咳，是通過(guò)紙做的引擎啟動(dòng)……
Well said
說(shuō)得好
I can certainly respect the effort stealing the data and tech
我當(dāng)然能尊重竊取數(shù)據(jù)和技術(shù)的努力。
@angelaferkel7922 china says they have a tailless fighter, china says a lot of things
中國(guó)說(shuō)他們有無(wú)尾翼戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)，中國(guó)說(shuō)了很多事情。
What pushes China towards developing high technological weaponries? Just take a look at how China is being surrounded by US military bases.
是什么推動(dòng)中國(guó)發(fā)展高科技武器？看看中國(guó)是如何被美國(guó)軍事基地包圍的。
Also trying to bully Taiwan
也在試圖欺負(fù)臺(tái)灣（地區(qū)）。
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Mainland China has been working on reunification with Taiwan through trades, notably the “Three Direct lixs” initiatives. At one stage, under Taiwan leader Ma Ying-Jeou, Mainland and Taiwan were very close. Then the US covertly supported the DPP to gain power, and the US also orchestrated the Sunflower Student Movement in 2014, to sabotage the Cross-Strait Service Trade Agreement (CSSTA). Since The US’ proxy Tsai Ying-Wen came into office, separatism has been the main theme. It’s an open secret that Taiwan is America’s trump card over China when China catches up to the US’ economy, just like how America knocked Japan into 3 decades of stagnancy (Plaza Accord agreements) after Japan’s economy was catching up fast with America. As former US top strategist Zbignew Brzezinski said: “It is IMPERATIVE that no Eurasian challenger emerges capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also challenging America”. The Anglo-America Empire has been using the “divide-and-conquer” tactics throughout histories.
中國(guó)大陸一直在通過(guò)貿(mào)易與臺(tái)灣（地區(qū)）推動(dòng)統(tǒng)一，特別是通過(guò)“三通”倡議。曾經(jīng)，在臺(tái)灣（地區(qū)）領(lǐng)導(dǎo)人馬英九的領(lǐng)導(dǎo)下，大陸和臺(tái)灣（地區(qū)）關(guān)系非常接近。然后，美國(guó)偷偷支持民進(jìn)黨上臺(tái)，并且在2014年策劃了太陽(yáng)花學(xué)運(yùn)，破壞了兩岸服務(wù)貿(mào)易協(xié)議（CSSTA）。自從美國(guó)代理人蔡英文上任以來(lái)，分裂主義成為主要議題。臺(tái)灣（地區(qū)）是美國(guó)對(duì)中國(guó)的一張王牌，尤其是在中國(guó)趕上美國(guó)經(jīng)濟(jì)的情況下，就像美國(guó)曾在日本經(jīng)濟(jì)快速趕上美國(guó)后，通過(guò)《廣場(chǎng)協(xié)議》讓日本陷入了三十年的停滯一樣。美國(guó)前戰(zhàn)略家茲比格紐·布熱津斯基曾說(shuō)過(guò)：“絕對(duì)不能出現(xiàn)能夠主導(dǎo)歐亞并挑戰(zhàn)美國(guó)的歐亞競(jìng)爭(zhēng)者?！庇⒚赖蹏?guó)自古以來(lái)一直使用“分而治之”的策略。
例如，伊朗-伊拉克，伊朗-沙特，塞爾維亞-科索沃，俄羅斯-烏克蘭，歐洲-俄羅斯，印度-中國(guó)，大陸-臺(tái)灣（地區(qū)），印度-巴基斯坦，卡扎菲-國(guó)家轉(zhuǎn)型委員會(huì)，馬杜羅-瓜伊多，普京-納瓦爾尼，阿薩德-庫(kù)爾德，巴希爾-南蘇丹等沖突。民進(jìn)黨禁止臺(tái)灣（地區(qū)）的親統(tǒng)一媒體，并制造宣傳攻擊中國(guó)大陸，讓年輕的臺(tái)灣（地區(qū)）人討厭大陸。2022年8月，佩洛西訪問(wèn)臺(tái)灣（地區(qū)），盡管北京強(qiáng)烈警告，這種行為是為了挑起一場(chǎng)中國(guó)內(nèi)戰(zhàn)，之后大陸用戰(zhàn)艦圍繞臺(tái)灣（地區(qū)）。2023年4月，麥卡錫接納蔡英文正式訪問(wèn)美國(guó)，進(jìn)一步加劇了兩岸的緊張局勢(shì)。
這一策略已經(jīng)不再是秘密，就像俄羅斯-烏克蘭戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)一樣：讓臺(tái)灣（地區(qū)）的代理政府突破中國(guó)的紅線（獨(dú)立），挑起中國(guó)的攻擊，然后創(chuàng)造一個(gè)敘事，稱中國(guó)無(wú)緣無(wú)故攻擊臺(tái)灣（地區(qū)），進(jìn)而動(dòng)員世界對(duì)中國(guó)進(jìn)行制裁。
What else can China do but steal?
中國(guó)除了竊取還會(huì)什么
Ironic You should Google "Chinese super app CNBC" just today they did a special report on all the big American apps are copying Chinese super apps stop propagate the propaganda*
諷刺的是，你應(yīng)該搜索一下“CNBC 中國(guó)超級(jí)應(yīng)用”，今天他們做了一個(gè)特別報(bào)道，講述所有大美國(guó)應(yīng)用程序都在模仿中國(guó)超級(jí)應(yīng)用，停止傳播宣傳
I have one word for them... STOLEN LANDS OF NATIVE AMERICANS
我對(duì)他們只有一句話……“被盜的美洲原住民土地”
1.6b anti china budget came from the US.
16億美元的反華預(yù)算,來(lái)自美國(guó)。
Nope, I am a American, we don't think so, u know, our alliance would say that definitely.
不，我是美國(guó)人，我們不這么認(rèn)為，你知道，我們的盟友肯定會(huì)這么說(shuō)。
Americans chanting state propaganda slogans while accusing others of being puppets is the funniest thing.
美國(guó)人一邊喊著國(guó)家宣傳口號(hào)，一邊指責(zé)別人是傀儡，這真是太好笑了。
Or maybe america already have a 7th gen.aircraft in super secret to avoid reverse engineering from country that has no capabilities to make their own.
或者也許美國(guó)已經(jīng)有了第七代飛機(jī)，超機(jī)密的，以避免那些沒(méi)有能力制造自己飛機(jī)的國(guó)家進(jìn)行逆向工程。
china ARE copycat and I'm a SEA
中國(guó)是抄襲者，我是東南亞人。
I think Americans are smarter than that. It's more like indians will complain like that.
我認(rèn)為美國(guó)人比那更聰明。更像是印度人會(huì)那樣抱怨。
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that's all right
沒(méi)關(guān)系
and bot
還有機(jī)器人
you miss one flying tofu
你漏掉了一塊飛行豆腐
Anti-China people can only chant political slogans. Their minds are disconnected from reality. They're literally thralls
反華的人只能喊政治口號(hào)。他們的思想與現(xiàn)實(shí)脫節(jié)。他們簡(jiǎn)直就是奴隸。
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@zhangwhack esses americanos que pensam assim s?o uma vergonha haha sou Brasileiro e consumo tecnologia chinesa tanto em eletr?nicas como 5g, roupas e muitas outras coisas, a China tem tecnologia de ponta e esses americanos morrem de inveja dos Chineses e basta vc ver milhares de vídeos de YouTubers mostrando a China, sua engenharia e estrutura q vc fica chocado como a China é um país futurista com cidades futuristas q D?o uma surra em qualquer cidade do ocidente principalmente na limpeza!!!
這些想法的美國(guó)人真是恥辱哈哈，我是巴西人，使用中國(guó)的技術(shù)，無(wú)論是電子產(chǎn)品還是5G、衣物以及其他很多東西。中國(guó)擁有尖端技術(shù)，而這些美國(guó)人都嫉妒中國(guó)人，你只需看成千上萬(wàn)的YouTube視頻，展示中國(guó)的工程和基礎(chǔ)設(shè)施，你會(huì)震驚于中國(guó)是一個(gè)擁有未來(lái)城市的國(guó)家，完全碾壓任何西方城市，尤其在清潔方面！
J-50 looks very futuristic…
J-50看起來(lái)非常未來(lái)感...
@pisablavatsky-cb3dd said by the guy from a country that tends to inflate their result in order to appear powerful? lol
這是來(lái)自一個(gè)傾向于夸大其成果以顯得強(qiáng)大的國(guó)家的人說(shuō)的嗎？哈哈
No , pork fried rice
不，豬肉炒飯
@kinwaisiu9414
Iam from India .. I don’t troll China unnecessarily.
我來(lái)自印度……我不會(huì)不必要地嘲笑中國(guó)。
@wallingnaga6563 Poor endian from 5th world slum
可憐的印度人，來(lái)自第五世界貧民窟
@ Angry End!an full of jealousy
印度人充滿嫉妒
@kinwaisiu9414 why do PH hate China?
為什么菲律賓討厭中國(guó)？
@AlanHenrique-n3t American corporations keeping technology slow in developing to milk consumers have bit then in the ar$3
美國(guó)公司為了榨取消費(fèi)者利益，故意讓技術(shù)發(fā)展緩慢，結(jié)果咎由自取。
Well that's true, americans open to trade and a***et the china, then until the Chinese bige them like a snake
這是真的，美國(guó)人愿意接受貿(mào)易并接受中國(guó)，直到中國(guó)像蛇一樣反咬他們。
It is just pathetic at this point.
到此為止，真是可悲。
yes, asian countries real enemies are first world countries
是的，亞洲國(guó)家的真正敵人是第一世界國(guó)家。
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Lol
哈哈
And when did you hear the US make a false propaganda statement? Never, where as the (***) Copy, Copy Paste does it on an industrial scale with Tik Tok
你什么時(shí)候聽(tīng)到美國(guó)發(fā)布虛假宣傳聲明的？從未有過(guò)，而（中G）抄襲、復(fù)制、粘貼則是以工業(yè)規(guī)模在TikTok上進(jìn)行。
We dont have propaganda, we have a free press and are constantly finding fault and criticizing ourselves. You should try it sometime, you might learn something other than being a *** puppet
我們沒(méi)有宣傳，我們有自由的新聞，且不斷自我批評(píng)和查找問(wèn)題。你應(yīng)該試試，也許你能學(xué)到一些除了做中G傀儡的東西。
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All the negative and racist comments boil down to sour grapes. When you can’t compete you denigrate.
所有的負(fù)面和種族主義評(píng)論都?xì)w結(jié)為酸葡萄心理。當(dāng)你無(wú)法競(jìng)爭(zhēng)時(shí)，就會(huì)貶低別人。
add what is in area 51. might your eyeballs will come out.
加上51區(qū)的東西，可能你的眼珠子會(huì)掉出來(lái)。