美國的STEM危機：中國培養(yǎng)的博士數(shù)量翻倍，而我們卻在阻礙人才
AMERICA'S STEM CRISIS: CHINA DOUBLES PHD OUTPUT WHILE WE BLOCK TALENT
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中國培養(yǎng)的STEM博士數(shù)量是美國的兩倍，而我們卻拒絕了89%的H1B簽證（特殊專業(yè)人員/臨時工作簽證）申請。
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Mario Nawfal
AMERICA'S STEM CRISIS: CHINA DOUBLES PHD OUTPUT WHILE WE BLOCK TALENT
美國的STEM（科學，技術，工程，數(shù)學）危機：中國培養(yǎng)的博士數(shù)量翻倍，而我們卻在阻礙人才
The math is brutal: China's producing twice as many STEM PhDs as America, while we reject 89% of H1B visa applications.
算起來有點殘酷：中國培養(yǎng)的STEM博士數(shù)量是美國的兩倍，而我們卻拒絕了89%的H1B簽證（特殊專業(yè)人員/臨時工作簽證）申請。
算起來有點殘酷：中國培養(yǎng)的STEM博士數(shù)量是美國的兩倍，而我們卻拒絕了89%的H1B簽證（特殊專業(yè)人員/臨時工作簽證）申請。
Meanwhile, U.S. teen math scores just hit their lowest since the 1970s, and our semiconductor industry faces a 300,000-engineer shortage by 2030.
與此同時，美國青少年的數(shù)學成績剛剛跌到了20世紀70年代以來的最低水平，到2030年，我們的半導體產(chǎn)業(yè)將面臨短缺30萬名工程師的問題。
與此同時，美國青少年的數(shù)學成績剛剛跌到了20世紀70年代以來的最低水平，到2030年，我們的半導體產(chǎn)業(yè)將面臨短缺30萬名工程師的問題。
The irony? 45% of U.S. STEM doctorates are earned by foreigners who often can't stay here.
這是不是很有諷刺意味？美國45%的STEM博士學位，都是由那些通常不能留在美國的外國人獲得的。
這是不是很有諷刺意味？美國45%的STEM博士學位，都是由那些通常不能留在美國的外國人獲得的。
Instead of keeping this talent, we're forcing them home to competitors like China, which just doubled down on tech education.
我們沒能留住這些人才，反而迫使他們回到像中國這樣的競爭對手那里，而中國最近還加大了科技教育方面的投入。
我們沒能留住這些人才，反而迫使他們回到像中國這樣的競爭對手那里，而中國最近還加大了科技教育方面的投入。
Maybe it's time for another Sputnik moment—before China's STEM supremacy becomes our tech industry's sunset.
也許在中國的STEM霸權讓我們的科技產(chǎn)業(yè)成為夕陽產(chǎn)業(yè)之前，是時候迎來另一個斯普特尼克時刻了。
（斯普特尼克時刻：蘇聯(lián)發(fā)射第一顆人造地球衛(wèi)星-斯普特尼克1號，擊敗美國率先進入太空。美國認識到自己受到威脅和挑戰(zhàn)。）
也許在中國的STEM霸權讓我們的科技產(chǎn)業(yè)成為夕陽產(chǎn)業(yè)之前，是時候迎來另一個斯普特尼克時刻了。
（斯普特尼克時刻：蘇聯(lián)發(fā)射第一顆人造地球衛(wèi)星-斯普特尼克1號，擊敗美國率先進入太空。美國認識到自己受到威脅和挑戰(zhàn)。）
Source: NAEP Data, Fortune
資料來源：《財富》雜志，美國國家教育進展評估數(shù)據(jù)。
資料來源：《財富》雜志，美國國家教育進展評估數(shù)據(jù)。
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If we make American kids do Asian curriculum/structure, our American kids might struggle. Asian parents make their kids study all day if they have to and are expected to be successful.
如果我們讓美國孩子學習亞洲那套課程/體系，我們美國的孩子可能會很吃力。如果有必要的話，亞洲的父母會讓他們的孩子學習一整天，并希望他們能取得成功。
Asian household expectations are very high to be honest.
說實話，亞洲家庭對孩子的期望值非常高。
Typical American Household dont prioritize STEM in their household. Asian household however make their kids go do extra math and science classes and tutoring and do homework while other kids go to the park and play. all about how you were raised and influenced into by parents
典型的美國家庭并不會優(yōu)先考慮STEM專業(yè)。然而，亞洲家庭會送他們的孩子去上額外的數(shù)學和科學補習班，還要輔導做作業(yè)，而其他小孩則會去公園玩耍。這一切都與父母如何撫養(yǎng)和影響子女息息相關。
I'm not for infinity immigration but here's the thing native westerners are not reproducing and they're not studying.
我并不支持無限制的移民，但事情是這樣的，當?shù)匚鞣饺思葲]有生育，也沒有努力學習。
The next propaganda piece should be about how Iran is outpacing America in STEM education
下一篇宣傳文章應該是關于伊朗如何在STEM教育領域超過美國的。
Are universities accepting these foreign students because they test higher or because they don't need scholarships or grants & they pay full tuition? If the latter, maybe it's time to start supporting universities at the federal level again.
大學招收這些國際學生，是因為他們考試成績更好，還是因為他們無需獎學金或助學金，而且全額支付學費？如果是后者，那也許是時候重新開始從聯(lián)邦層面上支持大學了。
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It’s the $$ Their country pays Its been like this for at least 50 year’s American Universities are proud of educating the world
這是由他們國家出的錢。這種情況至少有50年了，美國大學一直以教育世界為榮。
We dont have time for those racist things! We need to teach gender fluidity and that speech is violence, that white people, especially the males are the root of all evil! How can we fit that useless stuff in?
我們沒時間搞那些種族主義的事情！我們需要教授性別的流動性、語言就是暴力等議題，還有白人，尤其男性才是萬惡之源！我們怎么把這些無用的東西灌輸進去呢？
How many of China’s talent is imported?
有多少中國的人才是引進的？
Why have there been half a million tech layoffs in the last 3 years if that’s true?
如果這是真的，那為什么在過去的三年里解雇了50萬技術人員呢？
Because the workers wanted salaries that keep up with inflation. They have student loans to repay.
因為工薪階層希望工資能夠跟上通貨膨脹。他們還得償還學生貸款。
America is just a factory for silicon valley now, it doesn't matter what country you're from
現(xiàn)在美國只不過是硅谷的工廠，不管你來自哪個國家。
So fix the education system and have an 8 year time limit on this proposal.
所以趕緊修復教育系統(tǒng)吧，并且對這個提案設定8年的時間限制。
America First means putting Americans first, If there’s a problem with our culture, it can’t be solved by bringing in a bunch of cow worshipping Indians
美國優(yōu)先意味著要把美國人放在首位。如果我們的文化出現(xiàn)問題的話，僅靠引入一群崇拜牛的印度人是解決不了這個問題的。
Don't worry about that, they'll all be replaced by AI within 20 years.
放心好了，在未來的20年內(nèi)，它們都會被人工智能取代掉。
Some Americans are delusional
某些美國人有妄想癥。
I agree with most all of this statement except that America rejects “89%” of H1B applications. In reality lazy gov employees are probably approving more visa’s than denying. Approving a visa is easy and no one will complain. Denying takes a lot more work.
除了89%的H1B申請被美國拒簽之外，我基本同意大部分觀點。不過實際上懶惰的政府工作人員可能更愿意批準更多的簽證，而不是拒簽。因為批準簽證比較容易，沒有誰會抱怨。而否決則需要付出更多的工作量才能處理完畢。
U.S. doesn’t pay PhDs nearly enough which is why no American wants to go after that degree. Foreigners see it as a ticket to the U.S.
美國給博士的薪水遠遠不夠，這就是沒有美國人愿意攻讀博士學位的原因。外國人卻把它當成通往美國的門票。
Get real 48% of all stem graduates in the US are foreign born over 50% return to their own country There’s no room for American STEM students and you want more H1B ? Are you an American?
在美國，有48%的STEM畢業(yè)生是在國外出生的，其中超過50%的人回到了他們自己的國家，這讓美國的STEM學生幾乎沒有空間，你還想要更多的H1B簽證嗎？你真的是美國人嗎？
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China has 4 times as many people and it produces twice as many STEM PhDs. We are still ahead by a factor of 2. What am I missing?
中國的人口數(shù)量是美國的四倍，他們培養(yǎng)出來的STEM博士數(shù)量是美國的兩倍。我們?nèi)匀活I先兩倍。我到底錯過了什么？
To clarify , we are ahead by a factor of 2 per capita. And we have H1B program that China doesn’t have. We bring in many more via this program. What is the number where we’re going to say “that’s enough”.
澄清一下，在人均方面我們?nèi)匀活I先兩倍。我們有中國沒有的H1B項目，我們通過這個項目吸引更多的優(yōu)秀人才。那么，我們說的“夠了” 的數(shù)字是多少呢？
We educate some of them and send them right back... we are exporting our expertise.
我們教育了他們中的一些人，然后馬上把他們送回去……我們實際上是在輸出我們的專業(yè)知識。
The US department of education has done a bang up job.
美國教育部做了一件很了不起的工作。
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This was a country that in WW2 turned Iowa farm boys into aircraft mechanics and Alabama sharecroppers into bomber crews. We didn’t complain our inability to import German mechanics. We just did what was needed. So what do we do now.
二戰(zhàn)期間，這個國家把愛荷華州的農(nóng)場小子培養(yǎng)成飛機機械師，把阿拉巴馬州的佃農(nóng)培養(yǎng)成轟炸機機組成員。當時我們并沒有抱怨無法引進德國的機械師，我們只是做了該做的事。那么現(xiàn)在我們要做什么呢？
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China faces a stampede of graduates every year and competition for jobs gets tougher and tougher. Their local companies have a luxury of sexting the best of the best within a large pool of talent. Other countries in Asia are the same as well therefore is getting very competitive in the job market.
每年中國都面臨著大批畢業(yè)生涌入就業(yè)市場，就業(yè)競爭越來越激烈的問題。他們本土的公司可以從龐大的人才庫中挑選最優(yōu)秀的人才。在亞洲其他國家也同樣如此，因此就業(yè)市場上的競爭異常激烈。
盡管心理健康正受到更多的關注，結果并不是生活的全部，但大多數(shù)人仍然相信，接受教育取得學位/取得博士學位是在現(xiàn)實生活中取得成功的第一步。
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“ CHINA INVESTS IN THEIR OWN PEOPLE, AMERICA DOESNT AND INSTEAD IMPORTS H-1BS”
中國投資他們自己的人民，美國不投資，而是通過H1B簽證引進人才。
Another profession I’m seeing lots of not American born is the medical field. Especially the doctors.
我看到很多非美國出生人士的另一個熱門職業(yè)就是醫(yī)療領域，尤其是醫(yī)生。
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Immigration is not the answer. At best its a bandaid.
移民并不是解決問題的辦法，充其量只能算個創(chuàng)可貼。
It's concerning to see such a significant disparity in STEM PhD production between the U.S. and China. Addressing this issue might require not only reforming visa policies to retain international talent but also enhancing STEM education from an early age to cultivate domestic talent. The future of our tech industry hangs in the balance!
令人擔憂的是，在STEM博士培養(yǎng)方面美國和中國之間存在如此巨大的差距，如果想要解決這一問題，不僅需要改革簽證政策以留住國際人才，還要從小開始加強STEM教育，以培養(yǎng)國內(nèi)的人才。我們科技產(chǎn)業(yè)的未來前途未卜。
America needs to wake up!
美國需要覺醒了。
So China’s H1Bs are outperforming?? Oh wait, they just don’t poison their citizens through garbage food, zap motivation through welfare statism, and have people go to school to waste years of their lives and get into debt for degrees that have no demand.
所以中國的H1B簽證要更勝一籌？哦等等，他們只是不會通過垃圾食品來毒害他們的公民，也不會通過福利國家主義激發(fā)積極性，讓大家去學校浪費很多年的生命，并為沒啥用的學位而負債累累。
My son graduated with an Engineering degree last year from LSU and got numerous calls from companies wanting to hire him. He was able to choose which company was best for him and started out at $75K. The majority of his class (800 +) were foreign students. Trying to understand.
去年我兒子從路易斯安那州立大學畢業(yè)，并獲得了工程學位。他接到了多家公司的招聘電話，都希望雇傭他。他可以挑選最適合自己的公司，而且起薪7.5萬美元。他們同一屆的800多個同學，大部分都是外國學生。這一點明白了吧。
China has a low student debt rate compared to the US, and students typically graduate with less debt than their American peers. Universities are free in Germany
與美國相比，中國學生的負債率比較低，畢業(yè)時中國學生的債務通常比他們的美國同齡人要少。而德國大學基本上都是免費的。
We keep many brilliant international PhDs through visas or citizenship, but the priority should be on America's own. We need to boost our domestic STEM education and upskill our workforce to meet our needs. We can't keep screwing over our own people for foreigners.
通過簽證或公民身份，我們留住了許多優(yōu)秀的國際博士，但應該優(yōu)先考慮美國自己的本土人才。我們需要加強國內(nèi)的STEM教育，提高我們的勞動力技能，以滿足我們的需求，我們不能為了外國人而不停欺負自己的人民。
So what ? America is a white nation and we have to prioritize our white people. Getting more H1B hires to replace white people isn't the way to go. Indians and other smart people need to stay in their OWN countries to develop them. America is a white nation, not a corporation that needs to focus on profits.
那又怎樣？美國是一個白人國家，我們必須優(yōu)先考慮我們的白人群體，雇傭更多H1B外籍員工來取代本地白人并不是解決之道。印度人及其他聰明的人才應該留在它們的國家去發(fā)展它們自己。美國是一個白人國家，而不是一家需要關注利潤的公司。
Wow China must be importing infinity H1b visas to be able to do that...
哇，看來中國一定是引進了無數(shù)的H1b簽證才能做到這一點吧。
This is a worrying trend. We need to invest in education and attract top STEM talent to maintain our competitive edge.
這是一個令人擔憂的發(fā)展趨勢。我們需要投資教育，以吸引頂尖的STEM人才，從而保持我們的競爭優(yōu)勢。
Give it a rest, we are tired of hearing about this…. Everyone agrees the current system is broken and not working, it needs to be revamped. When President Trump takes office I trust he will make it better! Just stop talking about all the time….
讓它歇會兒吧，我們已經(jīng)聽膩了……大家一致同意，現(xiàn)行的體制已經(jīng)崩潰，已經(jīng)不管用了，需要重新改造。我相信特朗普總統(tǒng)上臺后，他會做得更好。別老提這些了。
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Yeah, fuck the kids it's their fault for not learning....
是啊，該死的小孩們，這是他們不學習的錯。
Sounds like a problem with our education system and leadership.
聽起來像是我們的教育體系和領導層的問題。
If the schools would focus on math scores instead of grooming kids to be fags we might have a chance to catch up .
如果學校把重點放在提高數(shù)學成績上，而不是把孩子們培養(yǎng)成同性戀者，我們也許還有機會追趕上來。
thats true, the west really needs to get its lads back into the engineering industry, schools should be forced to comply and gender bs ideology should be banned, kids want to build stuff not chop off their bits
沒錯，西方確實需要讓他們年輕的小伙子們回歸工程行業(yè)了，應該強制學校遵守規(guī)矩，而且應該禁止性別意識形態(tài)，孩子們想要的是建造東西，而不是割掉他們的一小部分。
Fortunately, America can make an excellent recovery. We need to transform the public education system.
幸運的是，美國能夠實現(xiàn)強勁的復蘇。但我們確實需要改革公共教育體系。
Would you rather fly on an airplane designed and built by china or the USA? Would you rather buy a car designed and built by china or the USA? Well, what do you think? USA still has it.
你更愿意乘坐由哪個國家設計和制造的飛機，中國還是美國？你更愿意購買由哪個國家設計和制造的汽車，中國還是美國？好吧，你覺得呢？美國仍然擁有它的一席之地。
This is absolutely true. I’m working in the semiconductor industry. The dilemma trying to recruit someone from fresh graduate is between sponsorship of less competent local American. This has been the case in past twenty years and is not changing for the better.
這絕對是真的，我在半導體行業(yè)工作，要從應屆畢業(yè)生中招聘人才時，總面臨一個進退兩難的局面，那就是要贊助一些能力較差的美國本地人。在過去的二十年里，情況一直如此，并沒有朝好的方向轉變。
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So why are foreign students the majority in many of our STEM programs? We could limit the number by law.
那么，在我們的好多STEM項目中，為什么外國學生占大多數(shù)呢？我們可以通過法律來限制數(shù)量。
In 2021 437000 people graduated in stem in the US, if 45 percent left that’s a little less than half. Meaning in two years we have 300000 American graduates
2021年，美國有43.7萬人畢業(yè)于STEM專業(yè)，如果有45%的人選擇離開，那就不到一半了，也就是說兩年內(nèi)我們將培養(yǎng)30萬名美國畢業(yè)生。
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China doesn’t import Indians.
中國不引進印度人。
Looks like finally the system education fails.
看來教育系統(tǒng)最終還是失敗了。
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Is China importing immigrants?
中國在引進移民嗎？
Maybe its time to rework our broken education system and focus on AMERICA
也許是時候改造我們支離破碎的教育系統(tǒng)，把重點放回到美國身上了。
White American math scores are extremely high. Same or better than east asian. America is being dragged down by low iq black and brown people as evidenced by the PISA scores. Indians have an avg iq of iq of 78 but usa wants its gudjrati indian high iq pop to replc whites.
美國白人的數(shù)學成績非常好，甚至與東亞國家相當或更好。而低智商的黑人和棕色人種拖累了整個美國，從PISA（國際學生評估項目）的成績就可以看出來了。印度人的平均智商只有78，但美國偏偏想讓那些高智商的印度人來取代白人。
We don't care if "China beats us". We are not in a race with China. We want a predominantly white country.
我們根本不在乎“中國是否打敗了美國”。我們并不是在跟中國競爭，我們只是想要一個以白人為主的國家。
Disturbing and detrimental to real Americans. Positions like this are fanning the flames of white collective thinking and movements.
對真正的美國人民來說，既令人不安又有害。這樣的立場是在煽動白人集體思想與運動的激情。
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So in others words, the previous leaders of this country have been failing constantly. The only thing they are successful is been crooked and destroy the USA.
換句話說，這個國家的前任領導人一直處于失敗之中。他們唯一成功的，就是扭曲和摧毀了美國。
Wonder if the decline in math scores has anything to do with the DEI policies in every part of our lives? Of course it does. We all can't be smart so we all have to be stupid.
想知道數(shù)學成績下降，是不是跟我們生活中各個方面的DEI（多元、平等、包容）平權政策有關？當然有關了，我們不可能都很聰明，所以我們必須都很愚蠢。
It’s time to get our education system back on track. Fire all DEI hires and kill the woke crap, demand and reward excellence and the problem will fix itself.
是時候讓我們的教育系統(tǒng)重新走上正軌了。解雇所有的DEI員工，消滅那些覺醒后的垃圾，要求獎勵優(yōu)秀的人才，那么問題自然就會迎刃而解了。
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We shouldn't push out talent. We also need to grow our own. The U.S. education system requires a major revamp.
我們絕不能排擠人才，我們還要培養(yǎng)自己的人才。美國的教育體系必須進行重大改革。