內(nèi)部人士講述 IT 巨頭如何偏愛(ài)印度 H-1B 員工而非美國(guó)員工，美國(guó)網(wǎng)友：我認(rèn)為在這里持H-1B簽證的印度人就像是墨西哥人，而特朗普應(yīng)該把他們?nèi)框?qū)逐出境

The problem is that there's a middle ground between not using H-1B visas and using them correctly —

問(wèn)題是，在不使用 H-1B 簽證和正確使用 H-1B 簽證之間存在著一個(gè)中間地帶--

companies like Cognizant and a bunch of others who pretty much everybody in the tech industry can name, but we won't out of respect for our colleagues who are stuck working there —

像 Cognizant （高知特）這樣的公司和其他一些公司，幾乎所有科技行業(yè)的人都能說(shuō)出它們的名字，但出于對(duì)在那里工作的同事的尊重，我們就不說(shuō)了-

where companies exploit the H-1B process to get cheap labor for other companies and then underpay their employees, give them poor benefits, or otherwise treat them in ways that other, more job-portable workers would not tolerate.

一些公司利用H-1B簽證流程為其他公司獲取廉價(jià)勞動(dòng)力，然后以低工資雇傭員工，提供較差的福利，或以其他方式對(duì)待他們，而這些做法是其他擁有更多就業(yè)選擇的員工無(wú)法容忍的。
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Changing the visa rules by increasing the 60-day grace period after losing a job, eliminating the requirement that new employers go through the whole H-1B process again whenever you change jobs (or greatly streamlining the process so that the employee can self-file and just provide proof of employment), etc.

改變簽證規(guī)則，增加失業(yè)后 60 天的寬限期，取消新雇主在你更換工作時(shí)必須重新走一遍 H-1B 流程的要求（或大大簡(jiǎn)化流程，讓雇員可以自行申請(qǐng)，只需提供工作證明），等等，

would go a long way towards making that abuse impossible by making it easier for H-1B employees to dump bad employers.

這些都將大大有助于 H-1B 雇員甩掉壞雇主，從而使這種濫用現(xiàn)象不再發(fā)生。

And by making it easier for those employees to leave those employers, it would reduce the incentive for those employers to treat those employees badly and would encourage them to clean up their act.

而且，通過(guò)讓這些雇員更容易離開(kāi)這些雇主，也會(huì)減少這些雇主虐待這些雇員的動(dòng)機(jī)，并鼓勵(lì)他們改正自己的行為。

Of course, this probably won't happen, because those companies pay politicians' campaign committees to not notice what they're doing, but that's a bigger problem.

當(dāng)然，這種情況可能不會(huì)發(fā)生，因?yàn)檫@些公司會(huì)付錢(qián)給政客的競(jìng)選委員會(huì)，讓他們不要注意到這些公司的所作所為，但這是一個(gè)更大的問(wèn)題。

by AntronArgaiv ( 4043705 ) on Monday December 09, 2024 @05:48PM (#65002051)
and there legitimately aren't enough programmers in the U.S.

美國(guó)確實(shí)沒(méi)有足夠的程序員。

Citation required. I suspect there aren't many programmers willing to put up with the BS companies give H-1B workers, but I think there are plenty of programmers.

需要引進(jìn)。我懷疑很少有程序員愿意忍受公司對(duì)H-1B工人的不公待遇，但我認(rèn)為仍然有很多程序員愿意接受這些工作。
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You just need to pay them a living wage. And make it so that you don't have to mortgage your life to afford a CS degree.

你只需要付給他們生活工資。這樣，你就不必為獲得一個(gè) CS （計(jì)算機(jī)科學(xué)）學(xué)位而抵押自己的生活了。

by dgatwood ( 11270 ) on Monday December 09, 2024 @06:28PM (#65002129) Homepage Journal
It's not just companies offering crap wages who can't find workers.

找不到工人的不僅僅是工資低的公司。

The company where I work often struggles to hire programmers despite paying relatively good, market-competitive wages,

我所在的公司盡管支付了相對(duì)較好、具有市場(chǎng)競(jìng)爭(zhēng)力的工資，

and has a horde of people on various visas, precisely because there aren't enough home-grown programmers in the U.S. to meet demand.

但仍經(jīng)常難以招到程序員，而且有一大群人持各種簽證，這正是因?yàn)槊绹?guó)本土沒(méi)有足夠的程序員來(lái)滿足需求。

The U.S. has about 4.19 million programmer jobs right now.

美國(guó)目前約有 419 萬(wàn)個(gè)程序員職位。

In 2023, there were 112,720 people who graduated with a CS degree or similar degree in the United States.

2023 年，美國(guó)有 112,720 人畢業(yè)于 CS（計(jì)算機(jī)專業(yè)） 學(xué)位或類(lèi)似學(xué)位。

If that number were constant, you'd need to have 37 years of CS grads to fill the available jobs, and you'd barely break even with folks taking early retirement, dying, going on maternity/paternity leave, etc.

如果這個(gè)數(shù)字保持不變，你需要有 37 年的 CS（計(jì)算機(jī)專業(yè)） 畢業(yè)生才能填補(bǔ)現(xiàn)有的工作崗位，再加上提前退休、死亡、休產(chǎn)假/陪產(chǎn)假等因素，你才能勉強(qiáng)達(dá)到收支平衡。

Unfortunately, the graduation rate hasn't been constant.

不幸的是，畢業(yè)率并不穩(wěn)定。

In the year 2000, there were only about 50k CS grads.

2000 年，只有約 5 萬(wàn)名 CS （計(jì)算機(jī)專業(yè)）專業(yè)畢業(yè)生。

From the year 1970 through 2011, there were cumulatively just 1,149,371 grads in CS-related fields (source [ed.gov]), and even if you na?vely assume that there were 112,720 in 2012 through 2024 (for which I don't have numbers), that only gets you 2,614,731.

從 1970 年到 2011 年，CS 相關(guān)專業(yè)的畢業(yè)生累計(jì)只有 1,149,371 人（數(shù)據(jù)來(lái)源[ed.gov]），即使天真地假設(shè) 2012 年到 2024 年有 112,720 人（我沒(méi)有這方面的數(shù)據(jù)），也只有 2,614,731 人。

In 1970, there were just 2,388 grads in cs-related fields.

1970 年，CS 相關(guān)專業(yè)的畢業(yè)生只有 2388 人。

If we na?vely assume that number was constant prior to that, then every computer science graduate would need to still be alive and employed beginning with the ones who graduated college in the year 1310.

如果我們天真地假設(shè)這一數(shù)字在此之前是不變的，那么從 1310 年大學(xué)畢業(yè)的學(xué)生開(kāi)始，每一個(gè)計(jì)算機(jī)科學(xué)專業(yè)的畢業(yè)生都需要活著并就業(yè)。

I mean talk about a high retirement age. :-D

我是說(shuō)退休年齡太高了。

And although you're right that you don't *have* to have a CS degree to be a programmer, the reality is that about 72% of programmers do have a degree in CS or a closely related field.

雖然你說(shuō)的沒(méi)錯(cuò)，成為程序員并不一定要有計(jì)算機(jī)科學(xué)學(xué)位，但現(xiàn)實(shí)情況是，大約 72% 的程序員確實(shí)擁有計(jì)算機(jī)科學(xué)或相關(guān)專業(yè)的學(xué)位。

There have been somewhere between about 2 million and 2.6 million grads in CS-related fields since 1970.

自1970年以來(lái)，大約有200萬(wàn)到260萬(wàn)CS相關(guān)專業(yè)的畢業(yè)生。

So even if you assume a retirement age of 75+ (which is unrealistic in a high-paying field), you would still need about half of all programmers to not have CS degrees if you want enough home-grown programmers to meet our current needs without bringing people in from other countries.

因此，即使假設(shè)退休年齡為 75 歲以上（這在高薪領(lǐng)域是不現(xiàn)實(shí)的），如果想在不從其他國(guó)家引進(jìn)人才的情況下培養(yǎng)足夠的本土程序員來(lái)滿足我們當(dāng)前的需求，仍需要約一半的程序員沒(méi)有 CS 學(xué)位。

We're not just a little bit short on programmers. We're short by about a million programmers, or about one quarter of the workforce.

我們不只是缺少一點(diǎn)程序員。我們?nèi)鄙偌s一百萬(wàn)名程序員，約占勞動(dòng)力的四分之一。

So at least in the short term, no, the problem will not be solved by paying people more.

因此，至少在短期內(nèi)，不，問(wèn)題不會(huì)因?yàn)橹Ц陡叩男剿玫浇鉀Q。

Yes, over decades, that will encourage people to choose that career more, and will help alleviate the problem, but only if the number of jobs doesn't increase to match, so even that isn't a given.

是的，幾十年后，這將鼓勵(lì)人們更多地選擇這一職業(yè)，并將有助于緩解這一問(wèn)題，但前提是工作崗位的數(shù)量沒(méi)有相應(yīng)增加，所以這也不是必然的。

We really *do* need to bring tech workers in from other countries to meet demand.

我們確實(shí)需要從其他國(guó)家引進(jìn)技術(shù)人才來(lái)滿足需求。

This is not to say that the H-1B program, as currently designed, is a very good way of doing that. :-D

這并不是說(shuō)目前設(shè)計(jì)的 H-1B 計(jì)劃是一個(gè)很好的途徑。

by lamer01 ( 1097759 ) on Monday December 09, 2024 @07:09PM (#65002189)
A senior in High School or a freshman in Stem would make the switch to CS almost immediately if they thought they could make a better living if Tech H1-Bs were not artificially lowering IT salaries.

如果不是技術(shù)類(lèi) H1-B 人士人為地降低了 IT 行業(yè)的薪資水平，一名高三學(xué)生或 Stem 專業(yè)的大一學(xué)生幾乎會(huì)立即轉(zhuǎn)行學(xué)習(xí) CS。
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We could pump out a million IT people in 5-6 years.

我們可以在 5-6 年內(nèi)培養(yǎng)出一百萬(wàn) IT 人才。

by bagofbeans ( 567926 ) on Monday December 09, 2024 @08:39PM (#65002341)
Your senior in High School knows that they won't get laid by saying "I'm an engineer".

高中生都知道，說(shuō) “我是一名工程師 ”是不會(huì)有人跟他們上床的。

Engineers are stereotyped as badly dressed nerds who may be brainy, but are low on the sexual desirability scale.

工程師被刻板地認(rèn)為是衣冠不整的書(shū)呆子，他們可能很聰明，但性欲卻很低。

by Smonster ( 2884001 ) on Monday December 09, 2024 @09:11PM (#65002395)
That is truth in that, but only until your graduate and land a six figure job.

這倒是實(shí)話，但要等到你畢業(yè)并找到一份六位數(shù)的工作。

Then being an engineer becomes a chick magnet.

然后，工程師就會(huì)成為吸引小妞的磁鐵。

by haruchai ( 17472 ) on Monday December 09, 2024 @09:19PM (#65002405)
So what?

那又怎樣？

With the big developer bucks, they can afford lots of attention from strippers & hookers

有了開(kāi)發(fā)商的大筆資金，他們就可以從脫衣舞女和妓女那里得到很多關(guān)注。

by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Monday December 09, 2024 @08:00PM (#65002287) Homepage Journal
Has your company considered training people? It might take a couple of years to get fully up to speed, but it's doable.

貴公司是否考慮過(guò)培訓(xùn)員工？可能需要幾年的時(shí)間才能完全掌握，但這是可以做到的。

by molarmass192 ( 608071 ) on Monday December 09, 2024 @08:43PM (#65002349) Homepage Journal
You should post a lix to the openings since I know a couple of laid-off programmers looking for work who would be happy to apply.

你應(yīng)該發(fā)布一個(gè)職位空缺的鏈接，因?yàn)槲抑烙袔讉€(gè)下崗的程序員正在找工作，他們會(huì)很樂(lè)意申請(qǐng)的。

As it is, new CS grads in the US are unable to find openings, so there's zero need for H1Bs right now.

現(xiàn)在，美國(guó)新畢業(yè)的計(jì)算機(jī)科學(xué)專業(yè)學(xué)生找不到工作，所以現(xiàn)在根本不需要 H1B。

The incoming administration should freeze H1Bs until there's a legitimate need that can't be met.

即將上任的政府應(yīng)該凍結(jié) H1B，直到出現(xiàn)無(wú)法滿足的合理需求。
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That is absolutely not the case in December 2024.

2024 年 12 月的情況絕對(duì)不是這樣。

It's well researched that H1Bs displace American employees, the numbers were something on the order of every 100 H1B displaces 33 to 61 domestic CS workers.

大量研究表明，H1B 取代了美國(guó)雇員的工作，數(shù)字大約是每 100 名 H1B 取代 33 到 61 名國(guó)內(nèi) CS 工人。

It's also well researched that H1Bs are paid far less than non-H1Bs.

H1B 的工資遠(yuǎn)遠(yuǎn)低于非 H1B，這也是經(jīng)過(guò)充分研究的。

As for Cognizant, they should be barred from applying for H1Bs for a long period of time as restitution.

至于 Cognizant （高知特）公司，作為補(bǔ)償，應(yīng)該長(zhǎng)期禁止他們申請(qǐng) H1B。

If companies threaten to offshore instead, they should go for it.

如果有公司威脅要離岸外包，他們就應(yīng)該去做。

I've literally never heard anyone say "Wow, offshoring is so much better!".

我從來(lái)沒(méi)有聽(tīng)人說(shuō)過(guò) “哇，離岸外包真是太好了！”。

Secondly, there should be no H1Bs made available to any company that contracts H1B hires to other companies.

其次，任何將 H1B 雇用合同提供給其他公司的公司都不應(yīng)該獲得 H1B。

That is an abuse of the system. Companies should have 4 options:

這是對(duì)制度的濫用。公司應(yīng)該有四種選擇
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1) Hire a US citizen themselves

1) 自己雇用美國(guó)公民

2) Apply for an H1B or O1 themselves

2）自己申請(qǐng) H1B 或 O1

3) Contract a US citizen from a consulting company

3) 與咨詢公司簽訂美國(guó)公民合同

4) Offshore

4）離岸

The option that should never be permitted is "Contract an H1B from a 3rd party".

絕對(duì)不允許的選擇是 “與第三方簽訂 H1B 合同”。

That makes zero sense when H1B is supposed to be for skilled labor that cannot be sourced from the citizen population.

這種做法毫無(wú)意義，因?yàn)?H1B 本應(yīng)是為那些無(wú)法從現(xiàn)有公民中獲得的成熟勞動(dòng)力而設(shè)的。

You don't obtain an H1B in 30 minutes or less, it's a lengthy process that is completely disconnected from the eventual company that "hires" the contractor.

你不可能在 30 分鐘或更短時(shí)間內(nèi)獲得 H1B，這是一個(gè)漫長(zhǎng)的過(guò)程，與最終 “雇用 ”承包商的公司完全脫節(jié)。

Lower cost and immobile labor was not the intention of H1Bs, though it's certainly being used for that purpose by companies like Cognizant.

低成本和不流動(dòng)的勞動(dòng)力并不是 H1B 的初衷，盡管像 Cognizant （高知特）這樣的公司肯定也是出于這個(gè)目的。

If an immigrant is so highly skilled that no one in the US has that skill set, fantastic, they can use the O1 visa since there's no cap on those.

如果一個(gè)移民的技能非常高，而美國(guó)沒(méi)有人擁有這種技能，那就太好了，他們可以使用 O1 簽證，因?yàn)檫@種簽證沒(méi)有上限。

The problem is the overwhelming majority of H1Bs have some skills but in no way meet the extraordinary contributions to their fields bar, which an O-1 requires.

問(wèn)題是，絕大多數(shù) H1B 都有一些技能，但絕對(duì)達(dá)不到 O1 所要求的對(duì)其領(lǐng)域做出特殊貢獻(xiàn)的標(biāo)準(zhǔn)。

So we have a path for extremely skilled immigrants via the O-1.

因此，我們可以通過(guò) O-1 為技術(shù)非常高超的移民提供一條途徑。

Therefore H1Bs should be limited to situations where no American applied for a job.

因此，H1B 應(yīng)僅限于沒(méi)有美國(guó)人申請(qǐng)工作的情況。

However, hiding a job posting as a disembodied advertisement in the back pages of the local Sunday paper is easy to ensure nobody can apply for it.

然而，將招聘啟事作為一則不完整的廣告隱藏在當(dāng)?shù)刂苋請(qǐng)?bào)紙的后幾頁(yè)，很容易確保無(wú)人申請(qǐng)。
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Ideally, jobs would have to be posted on a government system with salary so skilled Americans can apply for them before any H1B is approved.

理想的情況是，在批準(zhǔn)任何 H1B 之前，必須在政府系統(tǒng)上發(fā)布帶薪職位，以便有技能的美國(guó)人可以申請(qǐng)。

The website should enable applicants to apply with a "minimum acceptable salary" and if anyone applies with a minimum acceptable salary that is under some multiple of the prevailing wage for the role,

該網(wǎng)站應(yīng)允許申請(qǐng)人以 “可接受的最低工資 ”提出申請(qǐng)，如果有人以低于該職位現(xiàn)行工資某個(gè)倍數(shù)的可接受的最低工資提出申請(qǐng)，
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then no H1B should be granted since the problem is not "no applicants" but "offered salary is too far below market".

那么就不應(yīng)批準(zhǔn) H1B，因?yàn)閱?wèn)題不是 “沒(méi)有申請(qǐng)人”，而是 “提供的工資遠(yuǎn)遠(yuǎn)低于市場(chǎng)水平”。

A government website posting pre-requisites, blocking the H1B if any qualified Americans apply,

在政府網(wǎng)站上公布申請(qǐng)前提條件，如果有符合條件的美國(guó)人提出申請(qǐng)，

a ban on subcontracting H1B holders, and forcing sponsors of "highly skilled” individuals to defend their credentials for an O1 visa would ensure that the visa program was being used as intended.

則禁止發(fā)放 H1B，禁止將 H1B 持有者的工作分包出去，并迫使 “高技能 ”人才的擔(dān)保人為自己申請(qǐng) O1 簽證的資格進(jìn)行辯護(hù)，這樣就能確保簽證計(jì)劃得到合理使用。

Parting thought: if a company lays off any employees, they should be barred from access to H1Bs for several years after the layoff.

結(jié)束語(yǔ)：如果一家公司解雇了任何員工，那么在解雇后的幾年內(nèi)，他們都不得獲得 H1B。

Also, H1Bs should have a floor of 2x the prevailing wage for a role.

此外，H1B 的最低限額應(yīng)該是某一職位現(xiàn)行工資的 2 倍。

If an entry-level IT role typically pays $65K, then the minimum salary for the H1B should be $130K.

如果一個(gè)初級(jí) IT 職位的工資通常是 6.5 萬(wàn)美元，那么 H1B 的最低工資就應(yīng)該是 13 萬(wàn)美元。

Time to close the loopholes and stop the abuse of the system.

是時(shí)候堵住漏洞，停止濫用這一制度了。

by Darinbob ( 1142669 ) on Monday December 09, 2024 @10:46PM (#65002525)
Also "programmer" is a wide range.

另外，“程序員 ”的范圍很廣。

From those who can program, to those who cannot get hello world to work without help.

從那些會(huì)編程的人，到那些在沒(méi)有幫助的情況下無(wú)法讓 hello world 正常工作的人。

Note the recent article that "English" was going to be the popular programming language of the future...

注意最近的一篇文章，說(shuō) “英語(yǔ) ”將成為未來(lái)流行的編程語(yǔ)言...

So someone who only does ultra high level scxting is often not prepared to get out of that box ("I can't do Ruby, I only know Python!1!"), or prefer going with "low code" and "no code" styles.

因此，只會(huì)編寫(xiě)超高級(jí)腳本的人往往不準(zhǔn)備跳出這個(gè)框框（“我不會(huì) Ruby，我只會(huì) Python！1！”），或者更喜歡 “低代碼 ”和 “無(wú)代碼 ”風(fēng)格。

In over 40 years of programming, I've seen personal standards of programming continually drop.

在 40 多年的編程生涯中，我看到個(gè)人的編程標(biāo)準(zhǔn)不斷下降。

Often what many companies do is have a small handful of people who are really good, then several dozen who are the cheapest possible overseas who are"helping".

很多公司的做法往往是，擁有少數(shù)幾個(gè)真正優(yōu)秀的人，然后讓幾十個(gè)最廉價(jià)的海外人員來(lái) “幫忙”。

by prshaw ( 712950 ) on Monday December 09, 2024 @07:41PM (#65002229) Homepage
They need a little more than just a CS degree.

他們需要的不僅僅是一個(gè) CS 學(xué)位。

How about some practical knowledge of what they will be doing? Programmers are not interchangeable, they have skillsets that fit some jobs and not others.

對(duì)他們將要從事的工作有一些實(shí)際了解如何？程序員是不能互換的，他們的技能組合適合某些工作，而不適合另一些工作。

So if you need someone to program a website you don't hire a hardware programmer.

因此，如果你需要有人為網(wǎng)站編程，你就不會(huì)雇用硬件程序員。

It doesn't matter how much you pay them, they need a lot more than just a CS degree.

不管你給他們多少工資，他們需要的不僅僅是一個(gè) CS 學(xué)位。

by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Monday December 09, 2024 @08:30PM (#65002327) Journal
A hardware programmer can learn to program a website without too much trouble.

硬件程序員學(xué)習(xí)網(wǎng)站編程不會(huì)太難。

by ArmoredDragon ( 3450605 ) on Monday December 09, 2024 @11:40PM (#65002587)
There would definitely be trouble involved.

肯定會(huì)有麻煩。
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Shit, there's trouble involved even when web developers switch from one frxwork to another.

媽的，即使網(wǎng)絡(luò)開(kāi)發(fā)人員從一個(gè)框架切換到另一個(gè)框架也會(huì)遇到麻煩。

jaxcript is a language notorious for trying to hide complexity but instead just adds to it in ways that don't even make any sense half of the time.

jaxcript 是一種臭名昭著的語(yǔ)言，它試圖掩蓋復(fù)雜性，但卻在一半的時(shí)間里以毫無(wú)意義的方式增加復(fù)雜性。

https://youtu.be/pZUTdw6zcck [youtu.be]
by ArmoredDragon ( 3450605 ) on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @12:03AM (#65002603)
A lot of the better paid software developers don't even have a CS degree.

很多收入較高的軟件開(kāi)發(fā)人員甚至沒(méi)有 CS 學(xué)位。

You really don't need one.

你真的不需要。

The main thing CS teaches is a lot of algorithms, most of which you could likely figure out on your own without having ever encountered that particular problem before.

CS 教授的主要內(nèi)容是大量算法，其中大部分算法你都可以在沒(méi)有遇到過(guò)特定問(wèn)題的情況下自己想出來(lái)。

If you can't have figured them out on your own, then with or without a CS degree, you'd never really be a decent software developer because you likely aren't any good at problem solving in general.

如果你不能獨(dú)立解決這些問(wèn)題，那么無(wú)論有沒(méi)有計(jì)算機(jī)科學(xué)學(xué)位，你都不可能成為一名真正的軟件開(kāi)發(fā)人員，因?yàn)槟愫芸赡懿簧瞄L(zhǎng)解決問(wèn)題。

If you want to land a job at one of the heavy hitting tech companies like Google, Microsoft, Apple, fuckerbook, Nvidia, Netflix, Amazon, Tesla, etc, then they're going to screen hard for your problem solving skills during the interviews.

如果你想在 Google、Microsoft、Apple、fuckerbook、Nvidia、Netflix、Amazon、Tesla 等熱門(mén)科技公司找到一份工作，那么他們會(huì)在面試時(shí)嚴(yán)格篩選你的問(wèn)題解決能力。
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They also really couldn't care less if you have a CS degree, some of them don't even care if you ever went to college.

他們也不會(huì)在乎你是否擁有計(jì)算機(jī)科學(xué)學(xué)位，有些人甚至不在乎你是否上過(guò)大學(xué)。

by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Monday December 09, 2024 @08:32PM (#65002331) Journal
I've been part of it, seen it first hand, and fully supported it.

我參與其中，親眼目睹，并全力支持。
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(I supported it because the Indian guy who was being supported was my friend.)

(我之所以支持，是因?yàn)楸恢С值挠《热耸俏业呐笥眩?/b>

Our company went through 50 applications, and assigned someone to find and document a problem with each one of them.

我們公司經(jīng)歷了 50 個(gè)應(yīng)用程序，并指派專人查找和記錄每個(gè)應(yīng)用程序的問(wèn)題。

End of the day, he got the visa, and we were happy.

最后，他拿到了簽證，我們都很高興。

by haruchai ( 17472 ) on Monday December 09, 2024 @09:21PM (#65002409)
"I supported it because the Indian guy who was being supported was my friend"so he was a nepo-H1B?

“我支持他，因?yàn)槟莻€(gè)被支持的印度人是我的朋友“所以他是一個(gè)親戚-H1B？

by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Monday December 09, 2024 @09:38PM (#65002423) Journal
Good question. Practically, I had nothing to do with it, I just agreed with the actions.

問(wèn)得好。實(shí)際上，我與此事無(wú)關(guān)，我只是同意其行動(dòng)。

Overall, I support immigration to America, including programmers from India.

總的來(lái)說(shuō)，我支持向美國(guó)移民，包括來(lái)自印度的程序員。

They are generally great people in my experience.

根據(jù)我的經(jīng)驗(yàn)，他們一般都是很好的人。
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I don't support these companies like Cognizant, who abuse the immigration process, who abuse the law, and who abuse the people they ostensibly "help" to get a visa.

我不支持像 Cognizant （高知特）這樣的公司，他們?yōu)E用移民程序，濫用法律，濫用他們表面上 “幫助 ”獲得簽證的人。
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So great, I'm glad to see Cognizant slapped down here.

所以，我很高興看到 Cognizant （高知特）在這里被打倒。

by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 09, 2024 @05:05PM (#65001957)
The H-1B program needs to be terminated.

H-1B 計(jì)劃必須終止。
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If someone is skilled enough that they are allowed to come to the US and displace job held by someone domestically, they need to get a permanent resident, "green card" visa, with a quick path to citizenship, and not be beholden to a single employer, so they don't have to deal with slave conditions or face deportation.

如果有人技術(shù)高超，被允許到美國(guó)來(lái)取代國(guó)內(nèi)人的工作，他們就需要獲得永久居民、“綠卡 ”簽證，并有快速入籍的途徑，而不是受制于某個(gè)雇主，這樣他們就不必忍受奴隸般的工作條件，也不必面臨被驅(qū)逐出境的命運(yùn)。

Instead, if they are that skilled, they can go to another employer.

相反，如果他們技術(shù)過(guò)硬，可以去找其他雇主。

The current H-1B program has created a lot of friction and likely was one of the causes of why people voted the way they did in the last election.

目前的 H-1B 計(jì)劃造成了很多摩擦，很可能是導(dǎo)致人們?cè)谏洗未筮x中投票的原因之一。

Especially for allowing two H-1B lotteries in a year, each of which giving 100,000+ visas, and each of those visas displacing someone from the US for a job.

尤其是允許在一年內(nèi)進(jìn)行兩次 H-1B 抽簽，每次抽簽都會(huì)發(fā)放 100,000 多份簽證，而每份簽證都會(huì)讓美國(guó)人失業(yè)。

by Austerity Empowers ( 669817 ) on Monday December 09, 2024 @05:13PM (#65001973)
I agree with you, but I don't think most people even know what an H-1B is, and were not thinking about it as a source of their immigration concerns.

我同意你的觀點(diǎn)，但我認(rèn)為大多數(shù)人甚至都不知道 H-1B 是什么，也沒(méi)有把它作為移民問(wèn)題的一個(gè)源頭來(lái)考慮。

Instead what is going to happen is that there will be a big headline about all the mexicans, haitians or whoever we hate today getting kicked out.

相反，將要發(fā)生的事情是，會(huì)有一個(gè)關(guān)于所有墨西哥人、海地人或我們今天討厭的人被趕走的大標(biāo)題。

The numbers will be made to look "very bigly", and that portion of the voting public will be sated.

這些數(shù)字會(huì)顯得 “非常大”，而這部分選民也會(huì)得到滿足。
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If anyone does say anything specifically about H-1B, they'll be easily shouted down: H-1Bs are for jobs that already pay way more than what Trump's main base makes, so they're not going to care.

如果有人專門(mén)針對(duì) H-1B 說(shuō)了什么，他們會(huì)很容易被喊停： H-1B 所針對(duì)的工作崗位的薪水已經(jīng)遠(yuǎn)遠(yuǎn)超過(guò)了特朗普主要選民的收入水平，所以他們不會(huì)在意。

Dividing and conquering is the best way of making sure money continues to concentrate at the top, and the little people never get access to enough money to escape the rat race.

分化和征服是確保金錢(qián)繼續(xù)集中在頂層的最好方法，而小人物永遠(yuǎn)無(wú)法獲得足夠的錢(qián)來(lái)逃離老鼠賽跑。

by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Monday December 09, 2024 @05:55PM (#65002067)
Think that the Indians here on H-1B's are Mexicans and the Trump is going to deport them all...

認(rèn)為在這里持H-1B簽證的印度人就像是墨西哥人，而特朗普計(jì)劃把他們?nèi)框?qū)逐出境...

There was a brief brouhaha when Trump came out and said he was going to expand the H1B visa program along with some of the education programs that funnel them over here.

當(dāng)特朗普站出來(lái)說(shuō)他要擴(kuò)大 H1B 簽證項(xiàng)目以及一些將他們輸送到這里的教育項(xiàng)目時(shí)，曾引起了短暫的騷動(dòng)。

But the media just didn't cover it and Trump was smart enough to shut up about it so it all went away.

但媒體沒(méi)有報(bào)道，而特朗普也很聰明，閉口不談此事，所以一切都煙消云散了。

by AAANUS SNIFFER ( 10441580 ) on Monday December 09, 2024 @07:42PM (#65002231)
Singapore doesn't have an H-1B program, you fucking dipshit.

新加坡沒(méi)有 H-1B 計(jì)劃，你個(gè)蠢貨。

They let just about any dumb ass like you in the country unlike the USA which has laws to protect its citizens against retarded C com...sts like you.

他們?cè)试S任何像你這樣的蠢貨入境，不像美國(guó)有法律保護(hù)公民不受像你這樣的弱智Cgczy者的侵害。

DUMB.FUCK.

蠢貨。操

by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 09, 2024 @08:13PM (#65002305)
Maybe you should move from Singapore to India and pretend to be Indian so you can get an H1B visa and finally find a job! Don't worry, we won't miss you much if you are too busy to post 20 times a day here because you are finally busy working instead.

也許你應(yīng)該從新加坡搬到印度，假裝自己是印度人，這樣你就能拿到 H1B 簽證，最終找到一份工作！別擔(dān)心，如果你因?yàn)槊τ诠ぷ鞫鵁o(wú)暇每天在這里發(fā)帖 20 次，我們也不會(huì)太想念你的。

by JBMcB ( 73720 ) on Monday December 09, 2024 @05:31PM (#65002011)
It is absolutely being abused, but it's also invaluable for some small companies to get help.

這絕對(duì)是被濫用了，但對(duì)于一些小公司來(lái)說(shuō)，這也是非常寶貴的幫助。

A company I worked for, that had about 30 employees, needed an entry-level data analyst.

我工作過(guò)的一家公司大約有 30 名員工，需要一名初級(jí)數(shù)據(jù)分析師。

The *only* person who submitted their resume and accepted our offer was an H1B holder.

提交簡(jiǎn)歷并接受我們聘用的人是一名 H1B 持有者。

We hired him and he worked out great.

我們錄用了他，而且他干得很不錯(cuò)。

It wasn't even a lowball offer, the pay was good, it's just nobody wanted to take an "entry level" data analyst position.

我們給他的待遇并不低，薪水也不錯(cuò)，只是沒(méi)有人愿意接受 “入門(mén)級(jí) ”數(shù)據(jù)分析師的職位。