印度人民買(mǎi)賣(mài)每件物品都要向政府納稅，他們還為自己的工資繳納稅金。為什么中國(guó)人不用這么做？

Indian people pay taxes to the government for every item they buy and sell, they also pay taxes on their wages. Why don't Chinese people do the same?

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網(wǎng)友：每個(gè)國(guó)家或者至少世界上五分之四以上的國(guó)家都對(duì)其公民征稅，對(duì)嗎？除非你真的很富有，而且像卡塔爾一樣，公民很少，否則你別無(wú)選擇。你必須向人民征稅。

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@Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam
Independent Legal Banking Consultant at Self-Employment14h
Every Nation or at least more than four fifth of the world's countries tax their citizens right?
Unless you are really wealthy and have very few Citizens like Qatar, you can't help it. You have to tax people.
Tax is inevitable
The Problem in India is that India is Corrupt and Dirty
So your Taxes go into a lot of junk including a worthless City in Andhra Pradesh and a lot of greedy corrupt pockets in Bihar
You ultimately get nothing for your taxes
If you see the taxes paid in percentage, people in Europe pay a large chunk in taxes and in Scandinavia you have even 55%–60% paid in taxes
Yet those people get plent of benefits like free healthcare and free education and unemployment benefits

每個(gè)國(guó)家或者至少世界上五分之四以上的國(guó)家都對(duì)其公民征稅，對(duì)嗎？
除非你真的很富有，而且像卡塔爾一樣，公民很少，否則你別無(wú)選擇。你必須向人民征稅。
稅收不可避免
印度的問(wèn)題是腐敗和骯臟
所以你的稅款流向了很多垃圾地方，包括安得拉邦一個(gè)毫無(wú)價(jià)值的城市和比哈爾邦很多貪婪的腐敗分子的口袋
最終你什么也得不到
如果你按百分比來(lái)查看納稅情況，你會(huì)發(fā)現(xiàn)歐洲人繳納的稅款占了很大一部分，而在斯堪的納維亞半島，人們繳納的稅款甚至占了55%-60%。
然而，這些人得到了很多福利，比如免費(fèi)醫(yī)療、免費(fèi)教育和失業(yè)救濟(jì)金
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Let's forget all those western Nations and look at China
Chinese people pay quite a lot of tax
An Average Chinese household pays almost 43.44% of their income in taxes , direct plus indirect
The Average Indian Household only pays 31.79%
The problem is the Chinese get a lot of stuff for their taxes
Portion of their taxes returns to them after 55 through a State Pension for Life
Portion of their Taxes goes to state health insurance which ensures hospitalization for 90% diseases incurs an out of pocket of maximum 30% with no extra premium. Employer Insurance could reduce this to as low as 5%
Education is free for the first 9 years and a paltry 2000 RMB for the next 3 years
University Education is subsidized between 40% to 100% depending on the province plus 20 year interest free loans are granted for Tuition, Rooming & Food
Doctorate and Post Doctorate Studies are fully free and stipend is provided by the state in addition to any private stipends
The State funds a lot of research and development helping China with EV Batteries and other critical areas
The Average Indian Household gets nothing
Thats because our tax money is spent on :-
Interest payment for borrowed debts on worthless infrastructure
Money to encourage corruption
Appeasement
Paying basic bills
Feeding 80 Crore people in a Nation with 31 Crore officially poor people
When we get nothing, paying taxes seems pointless
So it's the system
Overhauling the gutter system is critical here
Otherwise the other solution is to go and be loyal to another country, one that rewards you better

讓我們忘記那些西方國(guó)家，看看中國(guó)
中國(guó)人繳納了相當(dāng)多的稅
中國(guó)家庭平均要繳納近43.44%的收入稅，包括直接稅和間接稅
印度家庭平均僅支付31.79%
問(wèn)題是中國(guó)人通過(guò)納稅獲得了很多東西
55歲以后，部分稅款將通過(guò)終身國(guó)家養(yǎng)老金返還給他們
他們繳納的稅款中有一部分用于國(guó)家健康保險(xiǎn)，這確保了90%的疾病住院費(fèi)用自付額最高為30%，無(wú)需額外保費(fèi)。雇主保險(xiǎn)可以將這一比例降至5%
前9年教育免費(fèi)，后3年僅需2000元人民幣
大學(xué)教育補(bǔ)貼金額根據(jù)省份不同，從40%到100%不等，此外還提供20年免息學(xué)費(fèi)、住宿和伙食貸款
博士和博士后研究完全免費(fèi)，除私人津貼外，還由國(guó)家提供津貼
國(guó)家投入大量資金幫助中國(guó)研發(fā)電動(dòng)汽車(chē)電池和其他關(guān)鍵領(lǐng)域
普通印度家庭一無(wú)所獲
這是因?yàn)槲覀兊亩惤鸨挥迷冢?br /> 為毫無(wú)價(jià)值的基礎(chǔ)設(shè)施借入的債務(wù)支付利息
用金錢(qián)來(lái)鼓勵(lì)腐敗
綏靖政策
支付基本賬單
在一個(gè)官方公布貧困人口為3.1億的國(guó)家，為8億人提供食物
當(dāng)我們一無(wú)所獲時(shí)，納稅似乎毫無(wú)意義
這就是系統(tǒng)差別
徹底檢修排水溝系統(tǒng)至關(guān)重要
否則，另一個(gè)解決方案就是去效忠另一個(gè)國(guó)家，一個(gè)能給你帶來(lái)更好回報(bào)的國(guó)家

評(píng)論翻譯

@Rahman Mohammed Abdul
Mind you, we also pay taxes for the various costumes our Supreme leader changes into.

請(qǐng)注意，我們還為我們的最高領(lǐng)袖更換的各種服裝納稅。

@Karthikeyan Rajagopal
Yes, our taxes goes to daughter, sons, grand sons, great grand sons, son-in-laws of leaders as well.

是的，我們的稅款也歸LD人的女兒、兒子、孫子、曾孫、女婿所有。

@P.M
Yeah and around 18% filth of India’s population breed like mosquitoes thinking its god given… the tax payers pay for their welfare as they are the congress vote bank. Also these namak haram’s are a threat to the country, so a huge amount is spent on safe gaurding against the very own snakes raised within. How unfortunate.

是的，大約 18% 的印度人口像蚊子一樣繁殖，認(rèn)為這是上帝賜予的……納稅人為他們的福利買(mǎi)單，因?yàn)樗麄兪菄?guó)會(huì)的選票庫(kù)。此外，這些宗教圣地也對(duì)國(guó)家構(gòu)成威脅，因此花費(fèi)了大量資金來(lái)安全防范內(nèi)部飼養(yǎng)的蛇。多么的不幸。
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@Obelix
You forget to add Bihar, UP Hindus to the list.

您忘記將比哈爾邦、北方邦印度教徒添加到列表中。
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@Truth
Is it true that in western countries like USA, income tax is 40%?

美國(guó)等西方國(guó)家的所得稅是40%嗎？

@PK
Depends on state but yeah you do have income tax reaching 40%.
But you also have social security. If you pay taxes for 10 years you get lifetime social security.

取決于州，但所得稅確實(shí)達(dá)到 40%。
但你也有社會(huì)保障。如果您繳納10年稅款，您將獲得終身社會(huì)保障。

@Bicycling Enthusiast
That’s only federal tax which tops out at 37%. State tax like in California tops out at 12.3%. You also have social security and medicate tax.

這只是聯(lián)邦稅，最高稅率為 37%。像加利福尼亞州這樣的州稅最高可達(dá) 12.3%。您還有社會(huì)保障和藥品稅。

@Zane Liu
Western countries, yes. USA no.
The US is an exception among the West in its low tax rates, especially corporate taxes. It makes up for it by having one of the highest cost-of-living requirements in the world.
Forbes indicates the average US credit card debt is $6218 (as of Q1 2024), with roughly 400,000 bankruptcies (as of 2023) according to Debt.org. Student loans typically take 10 years to pay off (although an increasing number of people are opting for the 25-year plan now) while home buying can’t even be approved except for the top 25% of married households (single people need to hit the top 7% to qualify). 40% of Americans can’t even come up with $400 in the event of an emergency.
It is known that European countries are quite different. There’s a reason why many of them call the US “a poor country with rich people”. There’s a lot more state welfare in Europe, while in the US you’re completely on your own when shit hits the fan.

西方國(guó)家，是的。美國(guó)，不是。
美國(guó)在西方國(guó)家中是個(gè)例外，其稅率特別低，尤其是企業(yè)稅。它通過(guò)擁有世界上最高的生活成本之一來(lái)彌補(bǔ)這一點(diǎn)。
Debt.org 的數(shù)據(jù)顯示，《福布斯》指出，美國(guó)平均信用卡債務(wù)為6,218 美元（截至 2024 年第一季度），大約有40萬(wàn)例破產(chǎn)（截至2023年）。學(xué)生貸款通常需要10年才能還清（盡管現(xiàn)在越來(lái)越多的人選擇25年計(jì)劃），而購(gòu)房甚至無(wú)法獲得批準(zhǔn)，除了頂層25％的已婚家庭（單身人士需要達(dá)到前7%才有資格）。 40%的美國(guó)人在緊急情況下甚至拿不出400美元。
眾所周知，歐洲國(guó)家有很大不同。他們中的許多人稱(chēng)美國(guó)為“一個(gè)富人的貧窮國(guó)家”是有原因的。歐洲有更多的國(guó)家福利，而在美國(guó)，當(dāng)事情發(fā)生時(shí)，你就完全靠自己了。

@Bicycling Enthusiast
If your income is high enough, the marginal tax rate in California is well over 50%.

如果你的收入足夠高，加州的邊際稅率遠(yuǎn)超50%。
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@Keshav Kaundal
Income tax. Is paid by 2to 3 percent of population that too by salaried class

所得稅。由 2% 至 3% 的人口支付，也由工薪階層支付
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@Piyal ??????
Many people thought if Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia do not tax their people on anything how their government earn money? Simple By Business. Some seems amaze that Etihad, Qatar Airways are fully Government owned Companies, Oil and many service industries are owned by their government fully or Partially. Government Ownership of Assets or Investment is not bad thing . The Government Management of Companies is not efficient. Increasing State owned enterprises and making them profitable is good and ethnical way to reduce taxes. China, Gulf Countries singapore followes this.

許多人想，如果卡塔爾、阿聯(lián)酋、沙特阿拉伯不對(duì)人民征稅，他們的政府如何賺錢(qián)？簡(jiǎn)單的原理。一些人似乎感到驚訝的是，阿提哈德航空公司、卡塔爾航空公司都是完全政府所有的公司，石油和許多服務(wù)行業(yè)完全或部分由政府所有。政府擁有資產(chǎn)或投資并不是壞事。政府對(duì)企業(yè)的管理效率不高。增加國(guó)有企業(yè)并使其盈利是良好的、有道德的減稅方式。中國(guó)、海灣國(guó)家、新加坡也緊隨其后。

@Truth
Is there any political party in India which is not corrupt? Are there any state, be it Bihar or Tamil Nadu, in India where political corruption does not exist? Is there any politician in India who is not corrupt? What is the solution for all these corruption? How to stop corruption by politicians? Rich are becoming richer and poor remaining as poor.

印度有哪個(gè)政黨是不腐敗的？印度有哪個(gè)邦，無(wú)論是比哈爾邦還是泰米爾納德邦，不存在政治腐??？印度有哪個(gè)政客不腐??？解決所有這些腐敗問(wèn)題的辦法是什么？如何制止政客的腐敗？富人變得更富，窮人仍然是窮人。

@Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam
It's the system
So it's all parties
The fundamental principle of needing votes from a population which is very poor means economic appeasement at the end of the day
This also means potential for a lot of corruption by exploiting the same poor people

這是系統(tǒng)性的
所以大家都是當(dāng)事人
需要貧困人口選票的基本原則最終意味著經(jīng)濟(jì)綏靖政策
這也意味著通過(guò)剝削同樣的窮人而可能產(chǎn)生大量腐敗

@Jaisal Bhati
KB Sir, just as the middle class people of India wish to go to Europe or America, do the people of China also think the same?

KB先生，正如印度的中產(chǎn)階級(jí)希望去歐洲或美國(guó)一樣，中國(guó)人也有同樣的想法嗎？
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@Truth
Yes, Chinese are seen in large numbers in Western countries.

是的，西方國(guó)家有大量華人。

@@Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam
No
Indians migrate fot jobs
Chinese who want to migrate are mainly not the smarter Chinese but those who want to do business and set up clubs, restaurants etc and who want to be rich and who already have relatives in US
Chinese migrate mainly for business, small, medium or big

想要移民的中國(guó)人主要不是聰明的中國(guó)人，是那些想要做生意、開(kāi)辦俱樂(lè)部、餐館等、想要致富并且已經(jīng)在美國(guó)有親戚的人
印度人為了打工而遷移
中國(guó)人移民主要是為了商業(yè)，無(wú)論是小型、中型還是大型

@Arun Shivaswamy
KB wants to bring China into everything - why doesn’t he go to China and leave there?

KB想把中國(guó)帶入一切——他為什么不去中國(guó)并離開(kāi)那里呢？

@Piyal ??????
It is his test country, standard country.The situation of both countries were similar and have similar population so he compares with China. Comparing with Second Largest Economy is Good country to compare

這是他的測(cè)試國(guó)家，標(biāo)準(zhǔn)國(guó)家。兩個(gè)國(guó)家的情況相似，人口也相似，所以他和中國(guó)進(jìn)行了比較。與第二大經(jīng)濟(jì)體相比是一個(gè)很好的比較

@Kiara
China does not provide citizenship to migrants

中國(guó)不向移民提供公民身份

@Sai Kriishna
People say we are most taxed nation. They may be true. But we are also least fined nation. What govts ideally need to do is generate fiscal revenue with fines and give tax benefits to subjects.
Fines collected via offenses of public littering, public urination, bribing the official, accepting the bribe, over speeding, minor driving, civil nuisance, road rage, manipulating the evidences, manipulating the judiciary. Fines for all these can work wonders for state and its subjects as well.

人們說(shuō)我們是納稅最多的國(guó)家。他們可能是真的。但我們也是罰款最少的國(guó)家。理想情況下，政府需要做的是通過(guò)罰款產(chǎn)生財(cái)政收入，并向臣民提供稅收優(yōu)惠。
通過(guò)在公共場(chǎng)所亂扔垃圾、隨地小便、賄賂官員、受賄、超速、輕微駕駛、滋擾公眾、路怒癥、操縱證據(jù)、操縱司法等罪名收取的罰款。對(duì)所有這些行為的罰款也可以為國(guó)家及其臣民創(chuàng)造奇跡。

@Vijesh B
Which one is better , always fine is better as it discourage the mistake by penalization

哪一個(gè)更好，后者，因?yàn)樗梢酝ㄟ^(guò)懲罰來(lái)防止錯(cuò)誤。

@Neelakantan Ramachandran
i think should incentivize savings in new regime and remove old regime as healthcare, housing, education are not provided and double indirect taxation exists.

我認(rèn)為應(yīng)該在新制度下激勵(lì)儲(chǔ)蓄并廢除舊制度，因?yàn)檎惶峁┽t(yī)療保健、住房、教育，并且存在雙重間接稅。

@Sriram Iyengar
Our hard earned money which we pay as taxes is totally justified to for allocation to states like Bihar as recently around 10 bridges fell within a year of construction ! Not to speak of repairing road cracks on state of the art built highways. Even after 25 years of ruling Bihar the CM wants Bihar to be declared as special category state thereby wanting excess funds . What good has he done i wonder ? I beleive equally corrupt as previous govts.

我們以稅收形式繳納辛苦賺來(lái)的錢(qián)完全沒(méi)有理由分配給像比哈爾邦這樣的邦，因?yàn)樽罱蠹s有10座橋梁在建設(shè)一年內(nèi)倒塌！更不用說(shuō)修復(fù)最先進(jìn)的高速公路上的道路裂縫了。即使在統(tǒng)治比哈爾邦25年之后，首席部長(zhǎng)仍希望比哈爾邦被宣布為特殊類(lèi)別邦，從而需要多余的資金。我想知道他做了什么好事？我相信與前任政府一樣腐敗。
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@Shree
India desparately need someone like Singapore's Lee Kuan.
The worst investment according to me right now is the bullet train project. What a colossal waste of money while Government schools and hospitals are in pathetic state.

印度迫切需要像新加坡李光耀這樣的人。
我認(rèn)為目前最糟糕的投資是子彈頭列車(chē)項(xiàng)目。當(dāng)公立學(xué)校和醫(yī)院處于可悲的狀態(tài)時(shí)，這是多么巨大的金錢(qián)浪費(fèi)。

@Vijesh B
We should also consider the size of the country, to rule like the person you mentioned will require equally good team of people.
To put in the right perspective we do have some good Mayors and Collectors who run similar sized areas .
All this discipline comes at the price of personal freedom.
We chose to live as undeveloped,free , irresponsible citizen .A small portion among us exploit us and another portion facilitate they exploitation.

我們還應(yīng)該考慮國(guó)家的大小，像你提到的國(guó)家那樣統(tǒng)治，需要同樣優(yōu)秀的團(tuán)隊(duì)。
從正確的角度來(lái)看，我們確實(shí)有一些優(yōu)秀的市長(zhǎng)和官員，他們管理著類(lèi)似大小的地區(qū)。
所有這些紀(jì)律都是以個(gè)人自由為代價(jià)的。
我們選擇作為不發(fā)達(dá)、自由、不負(fù)責(zé)任的公民生活。我們中的一小部分人剝削我們，另一部分人則幫助他們剝削。

@Meherjee Yanamandra
No matter how much you clean the gutter, it remains the same…

無(wú)論你如何清理排水溝，它都保持不變......

@Anil Nair
All I need to do is stop working and prove that I am below poverty line through some documentation. I will then get everything from food (rice to pulses) to house to toilet from the government. If you are states like Kerala, then, you’ll get even more items. If you are TN, then you’ll get tv, grinder, laptops etc.. So saying that I get nothing is incorrect and doesn’t make sense.

我所需要做的就是停止工作并通過(guò)一些文件證明我處于貧困線以下。然后我將從政府那里獲得從食物（大米到豆類(lèi)）到房屋到廁所的一切。如果你是像喀拉拉邦這樣的州，那么，你會(huì)得到更多的物品。如果你是在泰米爾德邦，那么你會(huì)得到電視、研磨機(jī)、筆記本電腦等。所以說(shuō)我什么都沒(méi)有得到是不正確的，也是沒(méi)有意義的。

@Karthik
You are welcome to try living in slums for a month, Where there is lack of basic human needs. Then you would know what is the value of welfare schemes.

歡迎您嘗試在貧民窟生活一個(gè)月，那里缺乏人類(lèi)的基本需求。然后你就會(huì)知道福利計(jì)劃的價(jià)值是什么。

@Jacobs Trovbel
What are your thoughts on not taxing the income, instead taxing the spending much like the sales tax?
IMO that would be equitable, anonymous and won’t need a huge bureaucracy to process returns, exemptions etc. Plus it will not need detailed information on the taxpayers together with people living in their households.

您對(duì)不對(duì)收入征稅，而是對(duì)支出征稅（就像征收銷(xiāo)售稅一樣）有何看法？
國(guó)際海事組織認(rèn)為，這將是公平的、匿名的，并且不需要龐大的官僚機(jī)構(gòu)來(lái)處理申報(bào)表、豁免等。此外，它也不需要有關(guān)納稅人及其家庭成員的詳細(xì)信息。

@Priya
I too agree with you on No benefits after paying this much Tax. The way my tax money is being spent breaks my heart. And have also started feeling to move out of India. But I stuck on the point that How will I be treated there by the citizens of that Nation. Here I feel I am the child of this country and have all the rights of First class citizens and No One can force me out because of whatsoever the reasons.

我也同意你的觀點(diǎn)，即繳納這么多稅后沒(méi)有任何福利。我的稅款的花銷(xiāo)方式讓我心碎。并且也開(kāi)始想搬出印度。但我比較猶豫，那個(gè)國(guó)家的公民將如何對(duì)待我？在這里，我覺(jué)得我是這個(gè)國(guó)家的孩子，擁有一等公民的所有權(quán)利，沒(méi)有人可以因?yàn)槿魏卧驈?qiáng)迫我離開(kāi)。

@Vinod Vinu
Lot of tax money goes to the military.
Police force also needs to be paid - that also is from tax money only.
Then there is building of roads, irrigation projects, flyovers .
They are starting flyover work in Mangalore a 80 crore project.

很多稅收都流向了軍隊(duì)。
警察部隊(duì)也需要支付費(fèi)用——這也僅來(lái)自稅金。
然后是修建道路、灌溉工程、立交橋
他們正在門(mén)格洛爾啟動(dòng)立交橋工程，這是一個(gè)耗資8億盧比的項(xiàng)目。

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印度人民買(mǎi)賣(mài)每件物品都要向政府納稅，他們還為自己的工資繳納稅金。為什么中國(guó)人不用這么做？

印度人民買(mǎi)賣(mài)每件物品都要向政府納稅，他們還為自己的工資繳納稅金。為什么中國(guó)人不用這么做？