我是烏克蘭人，我的中國男友想多陪陪他媽媽，她生病了，男友想讓我搬去中國，那我能在中國當精神科醫(yī)生嗎？職業(yè)前景如何？
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現(xiàn)在我的男朋友改變了主意，并希望我搬到中國。他的母親生病了，他想在中國陪她至少再待幾年。我完全理解這一點，但我的職業(yè)前景如何？在中國有沒有專門為外國人提供執(zhí)業(yè)許可的醫(yī)院？我不懂中文，但英語流利。請指教。
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Hi everyone. So, I am Ukrainian but my boyfriend is Chinese. We've met and started dating when he was studying here and have been in a long-distance relationship after he graduated and moved back to China. Ukraine is not very safe right now and does not have good job prospects for electronics engineers, so he moved, and I had stayed in my home country because I needed to finish my residency in psychiatry. We are serious, so we did not break up. Now, we had planned to both move to the UK in 2025 after getting some experience in our respective fields, but now my bf is having second thoughts and wants me to move to China. His mother is sick, and he wants to stay in China for at least a couple more years to be with her. I completely understand that, but what are my prospects career-wise? Are there any hospitals for foreigners in China where I would be able to get a license to work? I don't know any Chinese but am fluent in English. Please advise.
大家好。嗯，我是烏克蘭人，但我的男朋友是中國人。我們在他在這里學(xué)習(xí)時認識并開始約會，在他畢業(yè)并搬回中國后，我們一直保持著異地戀。烏克蘭現(xiàn)在不太安全，電子工程師的就業(yè)前景也不好，所以他搬走了，而我留在我的祖國，因為我需要完成精神病學(xué)的住院醫(yī)生培訓(xùn)。我們很認真，所以我們沒有分手。現(xiàn)在，我們計劃在2025年在各自領(lǐng)域積累經(jīng)驗后一起搬到英國，但現(xiàn)在我的男朋友改變了主意，并希望我搬到中國。他的母親生病了，他想在中國陪她至少再待幾年。我完全理解這一點，但我的職業(yè)前景如何？在中國有沒有專門為外國人提供執(zhí)業(yè)許可的醫(yī)院？我不懂中文，但英語流利。請指教。
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upxe: We just had a huge fight, where he implied I might have another man. I have never been so disrespected in any of my relationships. We have been dating for two years and are both strictly monogamous people. We survived war and long-distance together, but it seems that all this time, he did not trust me. I still love him to pieces, but I also respect myself and cannot be with someone who does not trust me. I do not know how to recover from this. All he gives me are weak excuses like "it's not you, it's me". I really thought we had it, and this was the relationship to end all relationships. For life. Guess not. Thank you, everyone, for your advice and support! I am thinking of ending things with him.
更新：我們剛剛發(fā)生了一場激烈的爭吵，他暗示我可能有其他男人。我從來沒有在任何一段感情中受到過如此不尊重。我們已經(jīng)交往兩年，我們都是嚴格的一夫一妻制者。我們一起經(jīng)歷了戰(zhàn)爭和異地戀，但似乎一直以來，他并不信任我。我仍然深愛著他，但我也尊重自己，不能和一個不信任我的人在一起。我不知道如何從這種情況中恢復(fù)。他只給我一些脆弱的借口，比如“不是你的問題，是我的問題”。我真的以為我們能走到最后，這將是一段終身的感情?？磥聿皇?。謝謝大家的建議和支持！我正在考慮和他分手。
更新：我們剛剛發(fā)生了一場激烈的爭吵，他暗示我可能有其他男人。我從來沒有在任何一段感情中受到過如此不尊重。我們已經(jīng)交往兩年，我們都是嚴格的一夫一妻制者。我們一起經(jīng)歷了戰(zhàn)爭和異地戀，但似乎一直以來，他并不信任我。我仍然深愛著他，但我也尊重自己，不能和一個不信任我的人在一起。我不知道如何從這種情況中恢復(fù)。他只給我一些脆弱的借口，比如“不是你的問題，是我的問題”。我真的以為我們能走到最后，這將是一段終身的感情?？磥聿皇?。謝謝大家的建議和支持！我正在考慮和他分手。
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Well, sadly, it seems that political disputation is preferred here to actually giving advice.
Being an international doctor in China can be rather difficult, since the healthcare system in China may not be so international and open-minded.
First, as a foreign citizen, you need to first examine whether you are qualified to perform medical procedures in China. This means you should check with the "外國醫(yī)師來華短期行醫(yī)暫行管理辦法", the "Temporary Act For Foreign Doctors to Practice Medicine Short-termly in China".
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The important things are:
You need to be invited or hired by medical institutions in China
You need to have a medical license in your home country
The temporary medical license in China has to be renewed yearly
Second, I am afraid medical institutions willing to accept international doctors are only limited to private healthcare groups in large cities, including Beijing, Shanghai, etc. Even though the family member of your boyfriends works in a hospital, it is highly unlikely that public hospitals will accept you because of the political risk under the current xenophobic atmosphere.
Third, considering you have a plan to move to the UK, maybe getting medical training in Hong Kong is a better choice.
And although there are plenty of Russian supporters in China, it is unlikely that you will be faced with obvious insults as a Ukrainian. It is more likely that your boyfriend will be greeted: Well done, you are so lucky to have a foreign girlfriend! :)
好吧，很遺憾，這里似乎更喜歡政治爭論而不是實際提供建議。
在中國成為國際醫(yī)生可能相當困難，因為中國的醫(yī)療系統(tǒng)可能不太國際化和開放。
首先，作為外國公民，您需要首先查明自己是否有資格在中國執(zhí)行醫(yī)療程序。這意味著您應(yīng)該查閱《外國醫(yī)師來華短期行醫(yī)暫行管理辦法》，即外國醫(yī)師來華短期行醫(yī)暫行管理辦法。
重要的事項包括：
您需要受到中國醫(yī)療機構(gòu)的邀請或聘用。
您需要在自己的國家擁有醫(yī)療執(zhí)照。
在中國的臨時醫(yī)療執(zhí)照必須每年更新。
其次，恐怕愿意接受國際醫(yī)生的醫(yī)療機構(gòu)僅限于大城市的私立醫(yī)療集團，包括北京、上海等。即使你男朋友的家人在醫(yī)院工作，但在目前的仇外氛圍下，公立醫(yī)院極不可能接受你，因為存在政治風(fēng)險。
第三，考慮到您計劃移居英國，也許在香港接受醫(yī)學(xué)培訓(xùn)是一個更好的選擇。
盡管在中國有很多俄羅斯的支持者，但作為烏克蘭人，您不太可能面臨明顯的侮辱。更有可能的是，您的男朋友會受到歡迎：干得好，你真幸運，有一個外國女朋友！ :)
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Thanks, this was the most informative response so far!
謝謝，這是迄今為止信息最有用的回復(fù)！
United Family clinic and Distinct clinic are two private healthcare providers off the top of my head. You can look into those. While anecdotal, I do come across foreigners seeking counseling or psychiatry from time to time through wechat, so there’s a market for it. Might look into the possibility/legality of online options while in China too, to reach more clients. Tier 1 cities are definitely your best bet, though. Particularly Shanghai.
和睦家醫(yī)院和卓正醫(yī)療是我腦海中想到的兩家私營醫(yī)療服務(wù)提供商。您可以了解一下這兩家。雖然可能像傳聞，但我時不時遇到外國人通過微信尋求心理咨詢或精神治療，所以這方面確實存在市場。在中國期間，您可能還可以考慮線上選項的可能性/合法性，以吸引更多客戶。不過，一流城市絕對是您最好的選擇，尤其是上海。
You should think that this question is really too technical for many people. Unless I'm a local resident of a big city
你應(yīng)該意識到，對于很多人來說，這個問題實際上太專業(yè)了。除非我是一個大城市的本地居民。
Hong Kong is actively hiring foreign trained doctors who have received training from a sext number of institutions. You can easily look up whether your institution qualifies. That being said, you will be expected to fluently speak Cantonese in a specialty such a psychiatry...
香港正積極聘用受過外國訓(xùn)練、并曾在一些特定機構(gòu)接受培訓(xùn)的醫(yī)生。你可以很容易地查看你的機構(gòu)是否符合條件。話雖如此，在精神病學(xué)這樣的專業(yè)中，你會被要求說一口流利的粵語……
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There is a large foreign community , larger than any in China, and foreign practitioners that provide for them
這里有一個龐大的外國社區(qū)，比中國的任何一個都要大，還有外國從業(yè)者為他們提供服務(wù)
it is highly unlikely that public hospitals will accept you
I thought it's because doctors in public hospitals are classified as civil servants which only Chinese citizens can be. There are a few public hospitals with international dept. which hire foreigners but they are contracted as outsourced workers and are under the supervision of a Chinese citizen. Even then, most of the doctors in the international dept. will be Chinese citizens who came back from overseas.
“公立醫(yī)院極不可能接受你”
我想這是因為公立醫(yī)院的醫(yī)生被歸類為公務(wù)員，只有中國公民才能成為公務(wù)員。有一些公立醫(yī)院設(shè)有國際部，會雇傭外國人，但他們按照外包工人簽約，并接受中國公民的監(jiān)督。即便如此，國際部的大多數(shù)醫(yī)生也將是從海外回來的中國公民。
In terms of job prospects the UK for sure.There's always shortage for doctors due to Brexit and ageing population.Also keep in mind professional qualifications and work experience from China most likely won't be as well recorgnised internationally compare with the UK.ps the wages is more likely to be higher in absolute terms in the UK
就就業(yè)前景而言，英國是肯定更好。由于英國脫歐和人口老齡化，醫(yī)生總是短缺。還要記住，與英國相比，中國的專業(yè)資格和工作經(jīng)驗很可能不會得到國際認可。另外，英國的工資在絕對值上可能會更高。
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UK will be harder due to the new immigration laws requiring new higher entrant salaries.UK openly admits they have a 'hostile' immigration policy.
由于新的移民法要求提高新進入者的工資門檻（英國工簽按積分制決定能否繼續(xù)待在英國或轉(zhuǎn)永居等，如果在英工作的年薪達不到標準，積分就不夠），待在英國將更加困難。英國公開承認他們有一個“敵對”的移民政策。
I think healthcare workers are exempt are they not?
我認為醫(yī)護人員是豁免的，不是嗎？
The boyfriend is not healthcare unfortunately.I am an engineer in the UK and getting the 39k threshold requires years of experience or landing in a high tech company.Unfortunately engineering is not very well paid in UK compared for the COL.
不幸的是，男朋友不是從事醫(yī)療行業(yè)的。我是英國的一名工程師，達到39,000英鎊的門檻需要多年的經(jīng)驗或者在一家高科技公司工作。不幸的是，與生活成本相比，工程師在英國的薪水并不是很高。
Mostly the other way round, they specifically said healthcare workers are targeted.
大多數(shù)情況下相反，他們特別表示醫(yī)護人員是目標。
Lol no. They are not applying salary requirements etc for health care workers like nurses as theres a big shortage
哈哈，沒有。他們沒有對護士等醫(yī)護人員提出工資要求等，因為人手嚴重短缺
Residency in Ukraine lasts 2 years, so it would only count as fy1 and 2 in the UK. I do not mind having a lower salary, no matter which country I'll end up working in. Having a job I love and putting my degree to use are more important to me as of right now. I'm still young, I can worry about money later.
在烏克蘭的住院醫(yī)生培訓(xùn)持續(xù)兩年，因此在英國只能算作FY1和FY2（基礎(chǔ)醫(yī)生級別）。無論最終我在哪個國家工作，我都不介意拿較低的薪水?，F(xiàn)在，擁有一份我熱愛的工作并利用我的學(xué)位對我來說更重要。我還年輕，錢的問題以后再擔(dān)心。
There are a lot of international hospitals and private clinics in major cities (Shanghai, Suzhou, Beijing, etc.) I've met a lot of foreign doctors, but I don't know what the licensing requirements are. Some of them do really well, though.
BenQ in Suzhou, or United Family Healthcare in Shanghai. Or Singhealth has a bunch of clinics with foreign doctors, or Parkway health is another one. I'd contact them directly and discuss your options. They'll know a lot more than Reddit.
在大城市（上海、蘇州、北京等）有很多國際醫(yī)院和私人診所。我見過很多外國醫(yī)生，但我不知道執(zhí)照要求是什么。不過，他們中的一些人做得很好。
比如蘇州的明基醫(yī)院、上海的和睦家醫(yī)療，或者新加坡健康有一些有外國醫(yī)生的診所，或者百匯醫(yī)療是另一個選擇。我建議直接聯(lián)系他們，討論您的選擇。他們比紅迪上的人更了解情況。
As a Chinese citizen , I think you could certainly try send your resume to some private hospitals but the chances are not great because of the language barrier and China is not a open minded country. Best chances are asking your bf to uses some of his family’s social networking to put you into one of the hospitals or at least some medical related companies. Most of foreigners works in China I knew are working for foreign companies
作為中國公民，我認為您當然可以嘗試向一些私立醫(yī)院發(fā)送簡歷，但由于語言障礙和中國不是一個思想開放的國家，成功的機會不是很大。最好的機會是讓您的男朋友利用他家庭的社交網(wǎng)絡(luò)幫助您進入其中一家醫(yī)院，或者至少是一些相關(guān)的醫(yī)療公司。我認識的在中國工作的大多數(shù)外國人都在為外企工作。
Thanks. He has a family member who works in a hospital, not as a doctor, but they already promised to ask around
謝謝。他有一個家庭成員在醫(yī)院工作，雖然不是醫(yī)生，但他們已經(jīng)答應(yīng)四處打聽。
Good to hear. Social networking is the best way to start your life in China.let me know if you have any doubts
很高興聽到這個消息。社交網(wǎng)絡(luò)是你在中國開始生活的最好方式。如果你有任何疑問，請告訴我
1.Psychiatry is nearly non-existent in China. 2.You will be limited to servicing foreigners, most likely foreign children that are not adjusting well.3.You are more needed in your home country.4.Check with the foreign service providers such as Family United.
1.精神病學(xué)在中國幾乎不存在。2.你的服務(wù)對象可能會局限于外國人，很可能是那些不適應(yīng)的外國孩子。3.你的祖國更需要你。4.可以向和睦家這樣的外國服務(wù)提供商咨詢。
I wouldnt recommend you apply to a usual hospital.your best bet is like above commenter stated: looking for foreign firms/orgs.general environment in china isnt much better than uk though.just look at youth unemployment.
if youre serious you could move to china and get married.
我不會建議你申請一般的醫(yī)院。你最好的選擇是像上面的評論所說的：尋找外國公司/組織。不過，中國的總體環(huán)境并不比英國好多少?？纯茨贻p人的失業(yè)情況就知道了。
如果你是認真的，你可以搬到中國結(jié)婚。
Is it really not possible for him to bring his mother over to the UK?
他真的不能把他的母親帶到英國嗎？
No
不能
Keep in mind family problems like those can persist very long. Ie the mother, uncle, brother can stay sick for a long time and he will expect to stay around for a long time. This will diminish your chances in the future and pull back your growth trajectory which you need especially when young. If you spend 5 years over here, that won't be seen as 5 years abroad so you likely will be set back if you ever plan to move on.
Seems no doctors are here, but you should sneak up on some doctors on lixedIn. There are two major players in SH, JiaHui and Family United. See if you can find staff working on lixedIn and see what their experiences are like.
From an outsider perspective going to both, they have foreign staff but their staff typically works only one day per week in a specific hospital. They float around a lot. Further (just by looks) they don't seem to be well paid.
You will also deal with healthcare expectations in China. This is vastly different. Chinese people expect treatment no matter what, it's not always what's best for them, but what they want. Vice versa as a foreigner I'm struggling with getting basic medicine because not everything is exported to here or the latest generation.
請記住，像這樣的家庭問題可能會持續(xù)很長時間。比如母親、叔叔、兄弟可能會長時間生病，他會期望在身邊待很長時間。這將減少您未來的機會，拖慢您的成長軌跡，尤其是當您年輕時。如果您在這里度過5年，那不會被視為在國外度過的5年，因此如果您以后計劃搬走，您可能會受到影響。
似乎這里沒有醫(yī)生，但您應(yīng)該在領(lǐng)英上偷偷接觸一些醫(yī)生。在上海有兩個主要的醫(yī)療機構(gòu)，嘉會醫(yī)療和和睦家醫(yī)療?？纯茨芊裨陬I(lǐng)英上找到員工，了解一下他們的經(jīng)歷如何。
從外人的角度來看，他們有外國員工，但他們的員工通常每周只在一個特定的醫(yī)院工作一天。他們經(jīng)常換崗。此外（僅從外表上看），他們似乎沒有得到很好的薪水。
您還將應(yīng)對中國的醫(yī)療期望。這是非常不同的。中國人無論如何都期望接受治療，這不總是對他們最好的，而是他們想要的。反之，作為外國人，我很難獲得基本的藥物，因為并非所有藥物都被出口到這里或者是最新一代的。
You have to get licensed on the Chinese side which means getting all of your license stuff from Ukraine certified and then being interviewed with medical questions by a panel of Chinese doctors. But yes there are opportunities with foreign clinics as has already been stated. Whatever clinic hires you should help with licensing sib requirements and answering questions. It’s going to be easiest in a very large city.
你需要在中國這邊獲得執(zhí)照，這意味著你需要將你在烏克蘭的所有執(zhí)照資料進行認證，然后接受中國醫(yī)生小組的醫(yī)學(xué)問題面試。但是，正如已經(jīng)提到的，你確實有在外國診所工作的機會。無論哪個診所雇傭你，他們都應(yīng)該幫助你滿足執(zhí)照的要求并回答問題。在一個非常大的城市，這將是最容易的。
Man that is going to be a bitter pill to swallow moving to the country that actively supports Putin invasion of your home country (probably materially as well) and is "friends forever" with Putin. Also psychiatry is not much accepted yet in China. You'd better seek to practice in a tier one city that will be more open to psychiatric therapy.
搬到一個積極支持普京入侵您祖國（可能在物質(zhì)上也是如此）并與普京“永遠為友”的國家，這確實是一顆苦澀的藥丸。此外，在中國，精神病學(xué)尚未被充分接受。您最好尋求在對精神治療更加開放的一線城市執(zhí)業(yè)。
Tbh, most of the jobs in China requires Chinese unless you are working as a Doctor for foreigners who speak English. Not discouraging here but given ur skillset, ur best chance to stay in China is in big cities where high numbers of foreign expats are present.
說實話，中國大多數(shù)工作要求懂中文，除非你是為說英語的外國人工作的醫(yī)生。這里并非想潑冷水，但考慮到你的技能，你在中國的最佳機會是在大城市，那里有大量的外國人。
Would suggest looking up the state of Chinese economy and the number of foreign investment hospitals.
It doesn't look good.
建議查查中國經(jīng)濟的狀況以及外資醫(yī)院的數(shù)量。
看起來情況不太好。
are you thinking about providing material support to his mother, or just about being physically present?
if you're thinking about material support, look into the possibility of a working visa in the usa. a psychiatrist is a highly trained technical expert. maybe you could qualify for an H1-B or J visa or something. maybe you could bring your spouse, if you get one.
even a low paid psychiatrist in the usa is probably earning more than 200K. more than in the uk, possibly? possibly your usa earnings could provide more support to your mother in law than the total china-based earnings you could both earn combined.
it's an idea. you may be a highly qualified applicant. might not be that infeasible. maybe look into it. the usa can always use some doctors and engineers.
你是想要為他的母親提供物質(zhì)支持，還是只是想親自在她身邊？
如果你考慮物質(zhì)支持，可以研究一下在美國獲得工作簽證的可能性。精神科醫(yī)生是一位經(jīng)過高度培訓(xùn)的技術(shù)專家。也許你可以符合H1-B或J簽證資格之類的東西。也許你可以帶上你的配偶，如果你有的話。
即使在美國薪水較低的精神科醫(yī)生可能也掙得超過20萬美元。可能比在英國還要高？你在美國的收入可能為你婆婆提供比你們在中國共同掙得的總收入更多的支持。
這是一個想法。你可能是一個高素質(zhì)的申請人?？赡懿⒎遣豢尚??；蛟S值得深入研究一下。美國總是需要一些醫(yī)生和工程師。
As always doctor and lawyer are very limiting jobs if you really want to relocate. Your accreditation is typically only valid in one country and requires quite some work to transfer.
There are foreign doctors in China but they are all old and got offered high paying jobs at international hospitals. It’s probably best for you to not move here.
As for your relationship struggles, sorry to hear that. It’s probably better for you in the long run though given your career. Best of luck.
一如既往，醫(yī)生和律師是如果你真的想要搬遷的話非常受限制的工作。你的認證通常只在一個國家有效，并且需要相當大的努力來轉(zhuǎn)移。
在中國有外國醫(yī)生，但他們年紀都很大，并且在國際醫(yī)院得到了高薪工作。你最好還是別搬來這里。
至于你的感情困擾，很遺憾聽到這個消息。但考慮到你的職業(yè)，從長遠來看，這可能對你更好。祝你好運。