以色列的鐵穹系統(tǒng)是世界上最好的反導(dǎo)系統(tǒng)之一嗎？
Is Israel''s Iron Dome system one of the best anti-missile system in the world? What do America, Russia, and China have?
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所以回答原始的問題：不，鐵穹不是一個很好的反導(dǎo)系統(tǒng)，它是一個反火箭防御系統(tǒng)。
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所以回答原始的問題：不，鐵穹不是一個很好的反導(dǎo)系統(tǒng)，它是一個反火箭防御系統(tǒng)。
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, Lived in China for 20 years
We don’t, because we don't need it. We are not engaged with a rival like Hamas.
Iron Dome is NOT an anti-missile system, it’s an anti-rocket system. It’s extremely short ranged, and not capable to deal with more advanced threats. America, Russia and China all have much more capable air-defense systems designed to counter much more serious threats.
我們沒有，因?yàn)槲覀儾恍枰?，我們沒有與哈馬斯這樣的對手打交道。
鐵穹系統(tǒng)不是反導(dǎo)彈系統(tǒng)，而是反火箭系統(tǒng)。它的射程非常近，無法應(yīng)對更高級的威脅。美國、俄羅斯和中國都擁有更強(qiáng)大的，旨在應(yīng)對更嚴(yán)重的威脅的防空系統(tǒng)。
Sam Steingold
, Professional Mathematician, Amateur historian.
No other country has anything like Iron Dome, and no other country will ever have anything like that because no other country will ever need one.
Any other country, e.g., US, Russia, China, India, when faced with the same threat Israel faces, i.e., a close neighbor shooting low-tech projectiles at its population, will simply exterminate the neighbor.
Since it is generally considered in the UN that killing a Jew is not a crime, but a Jew defending himself is, Israel cannot deal with Hamas the way Russia dealt with Chechens and US with Taliban.
沒有其他國家有像“鐵穹”這樣的東西，也沒有其他國家會有這樣的東西，因?yàn)槠渌麌也恍枰?br /> 任何其他的國家，如美國、俄羅斯、中國、印度，當(dāng)面臨以色列面臨的同樣威脅（即一個近鄰向其人民發(fā)射低技術(shù)的火箭彈時）時，他們可以出兵將其消滅掉。
由于聯(lián)合國普遍認(rèn)為殺害猶太人不是犯罪，而猶太人保護(hù)自己才是犯罪，所以以色列無法像俄羅斯對付車臣人和美國對付塔利班那樣對付哈馬斯。
Pablo Sampedro Ruiz
, PhD Chemistry & Physical Chemistry, Nanyang Technological University (2020)
Anti-missile systems are not a workable defense method for almost all real cases, that is why they were never proposed in the cold war instead of the strategy of mutual assured destruction. This is because the country in the side of the defense has such a huge handicap that as long as his enemy has a comparable amount of resources as he does, he will lose every time. You can spend some money to design an anti-missile system that intercepts the missiles of your enemy, and your enemy will only have to spend a fraction of a fraction of that money to make it useless.
In the case of Israel it makes sense because Israel is a small country and it has wide more resources than Palestine. I believe someone here said that Israel anti-missile system has 300,000 missiles, while Palestine only has about 35,000. In that case, an anti-missile system can make sense. I think it could also work to defend South Corea from an attack from the North. But for big sized countries like the US, Russia or China, they are completely useless. The threat of retaliation is the only workable defense strategy in that case.
反導(dǎo)系統(tǒng)對于幾乎所有的實(shí)際情況都不是一種可行的防御手段，這就是為什么它們在冷戰(zhàn)中從未被提出，取而代之的是相互保證毀滅的戰(zhàn)略。這是因?yàn)樘幱诜朗氐匚坏膰矣兄薮蟮牟焕麠l件，只要他的敵人擁有與他相當(dāng)?shù)馁Y源，他每次都會失敗。你可以花一些錢來設(shè)計一個攔截敵人導(dǎo)彈的反導(dǎo)彈系統(tǒng)，而你的敵人只需要花這些錢的一小部分就可以讓它變得毫無用處。
就以色列而言，這是有道理的，因?yàn)橐陨惺且粋€小國，它比巴勒斯坦擁有更多的資源。我相信這里有人會說，以色列的反導(dǎo)系統(tǒng)擁有30萬枚導(dǎo)彈，而巴勒斯坦只有大約3.5萬枚。在這種情況下，反導(dǎo)系統(tǒng)是有意義的，我認(rèn)為它也可以保護(hù)南韓免受來自北方的攻擊。但對于美國、俄羅斯或中國這樣的大國來說，它們是完全無用的。在這種情況下，威脅報復(fù)是唯一可行的防御策略。
Anonymous
Ys, it is the best anti-missile system, with current technology in the world.
America, Russia and China do NOT have.
India has developed a prototype and Israel is helping to get it ready.
India needs to protect its border with Pakistan and China, so it has become imperative to have this kind of weapon in its military arsenal.
BTW Note : India had NOT condemned the current 2021 bombing of Gaza by Israel. This shows the tacit understanding and cooperation between India and Israel.
Also Israel needed to test this system on some place (read Gaza) to teach a lesson to the muslim world and its underground terrorist activities.
是的，它是世界上最先進(jìn)的反導(dǎo)系統(tǒng)。
美國、俄羅斯和中國都沒有。
印度已經(jīng)開發(fā)了一個原型，以色列正在幫助提供準(zhǔn)備。
印度需要保護(hù)與巴基斯坦和中國的邊境，因此在其軍火庫中擁有這種武器已成為當(dāng)務(wù)之急。
順便說一句：印度沒有譴責(zé)以色列2021年對加沙的轟炸，這表明了印度和以色列之間的默契與合作。
以色列還需要在某個地方（比如加沙）測試這一系統(tǒng)，以便給穆斯林世界及其地下恐怖活動上一課。
David Liu, master Economics & History (2000)
lol…iron dome is only useful to hold low~tech/primitive/short~range RPG/rockets from weak enemies like Arabia militias. it can not hold real missles…
in a war USA/Russia/china are involved in, Iron dome and its command center would be razed in minutes by longer range missles/smart bombs.
哈哈…鐵穹只對從弱小的敵人如阿拉伯民兵手中的低技術(shù)/原始/短程RPG/火箭有用，它攔截不了真正的導(dǎo)彈…
在美國/俄羅斯/中國卷入的戰(zhàn)爭中，“鐵穹”及其指揮中心將在幾分鐘內(nèi)被遠(yuǎn)程導(dǎo)彈/智能炸彈夷為平地。
Eric Matkowski, Horticulturist，Lives in Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
The taiwanese Sky Bow 3 system is better and the rockets can fly with mach 7 speed . It is designed to stop china rockets attack. Israels’ rockets are slow and less hightech in it. Taiwan also has waay more rockets than israel. It is different design because the rockets can also fly to china and do boom over there or turn the taiwanese strait in the sea of fire in case of invasion. It is masterpiece of the rockets’ base defensive system. The entire taiwanese defensive strategy is based on it.
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臺灣地區(qū)的天弓3系統(tǒng)更好，它的導(dǎo)彈能以7馬赫的速度飛行，它被設(shè)計用于在阻止中國大陸的導(dǎo)彈攻擊。以色列鐵穹配備的導(dǎo)彈速度慢，技術(shù)含量很低。臺灣地區(qū)也比以色列擁有更多的導(dǎo)彈，這是不同的設(shè)計，因?yàn)榕_灣地區(qū)的導(dǎo)彈也可以飛到中國大陸并在那里爆炸，或把臺灣海峽變成火海以防“入x”。這是導(dǎo)彈基地防御系統(tǒng)的杰作，整個臺灣地區(qū)的防御性戰(zhàn)略都是以此為基礎(chǔ)的。
The system is supported with gigantic radar systems.
Generally the operation of the system is top secret and it is exclusively designed for china invasion Then even hard to compare it to the Israel one but the basic specifications are waay better. Israel doesn’t have a need for such a system. They fight Hamas etc not China. The Israels’ dome would be useless there. No many people even know that there is stockpile of nuclear weapon there supplied by US and attached to the system. Good luck China!
這個寶貝能以7馬赫的速度飛行。
該系統(tǒng)由巨型雷達(dá)系統(tǒng)提供支持。
一般來說，該系統(tǒng)的運(yùn)作是絕密的，它是專為防備中國大陸設(shè)計的，所以很難與以色列的鐵穹相比較，但它的基本規(guī)格要好得多。以色列不需要一個這樣的系統(tǒng)，他們打擊的是哈馬斯，而不是中國，以色列的鐵穹在臺灣地區(qū)毫無用處。甚至沒有多少人知道臺灣地區(qū)的天弓系統(tǒng)有美國提供的核武器儲備，祝中國好運(yùn)！
Mohammad Jaafar, studied at Islamic University of Lebanon，Lives in Beirut, Lebanon
Nope, its advanced, but it's definitely not the best, lets not forget that few weeks before Israel attack on Gaza, there was an incident, that many pro-Israeli media outlets suppressed, and tried so hard to make it die down, and information about it did die down eventually, 4–5 weeks ago, a Missile was fired from Syria without an explosive head on purpose that landed very close to the Dimona reactor, the Iron dome did nothing to stop it, the missile bypassed it, many analysts believe that this missile was Iran message to Israel telling it to behave itself, because, let's make a comparison between before firing this missile and after firing this missile, before firing this missile, Israel was blatantly attacking Iranian ships, after the missile attack, the attacks on Iranian ships stopped. The Palestinian missiles aren't that advanced or technically prepared to bypass the Iron dome, the Palestinians just recently started attempting to technically advance their missiles, they are still taking their baby steps in this field.
There is also the fact that the Israeli Media is filtered by the Army, that suppresses any information about the actual number of casualties, this is on purpose so that they do not provide a moral boost for their enemy, and diminish moral of their own, and then later on face a backlash.
不，它很先進(jìn)，但它肯定不是最好的。讓我們別忘了，在以色列襲擊加沙前的幾個星期發(fā)生了一起事件，許多親以色列的媒體壓制了它，并試圖讓它消失，有關(guān)它的信息最終消失了。
4-5周前，一枚從敘利亞發(fā)射的導(dǎo)彈，在沒有爆炸部的情況下故意落在了離迪莫納反應(yīng)堆很近的地方，導(dǎo)彈繞過了鐵穹系統(tǒng)，鐵穹沒有能夠阻止它。許多分析人士認(rèn)為，這枚導(dǎo)彈是伊朗向以色列傳達(dá)的信息，告訴它要舉止得體，在發(fā)射這枚導(dǎo)彈之前，以色列公然攻擊了伊朗的船只，而在發(fā)射導(dǎo)彈之后，以色列對伊朗船只的攻擊就停止了。
巴勒斯坦的導(dǎo)彈并沒有那么先進(jìn)，在技術(shù)上無法繞過鐵穹，他們最近才開始嘗試從技術(shù)上提升他們的導(dǎo)彈，他們這一領(lǐng)域仍在蹣跚學(xué)步。
Ed Brook
Iron dome is very effective and very good at what it does, and in its command structure is completely unique in that it eliminates SAM sites in the traditional sense (grouped launchers together with a command centre and radar) and instead has single launchers spread out and slaved to a single, central command site. Russia has what is arguably the most capable SAM system in the world, the S-400. China mostly uses license-built versions of Russian systems, and the US has the MIM-104 Patriot. Of all of these, Iron Dome is by far the most used and has proved itself in combat to be one of the best medium-range SAM systems in the world.
鐵穹系統(tǒng)非常有效，并且非常擅長做它所做的事情。它在其指揮結(jié)構(gòu)中是獨(dú)一無二，因?yàn)樗サ袅藗鹘y(tǒng)意義上的SAM站點(diǎn)（將發(fā)射器與指揮中心和雷達(dá)組合在一起），而是將單個發(fā)射器分散部署并從屬于單個中央指揮站點(diǎn)。
俄羅斯擁有可以說是世界上最有能力的反導(dǎo)系統(tǒng)，即S-400。中國主要使用的是俄羅斯系統(tǒng)的許可證制造版本，而美國擁有愛國者。在所有這些反導(dǎo)系統(tǒng)里，鐵穹是迄今為止使用次數(shù)最多的，并已證明自己在戰(zhàn)斗中是世界上最好的中程防空導(dǎo)彈系統(tǒng)之一。
Lee Jacobson, Indian expat for more than two decades
If it is the best in the world, it’s because it is so unique. If a neighboring nation to the US, Russia, or China launched missiles at their population centers, the US, Russia, or China would totally level that nation. There would be huge destruction in the offending nation.
But the hypocritical nations of the world make different standards for Israel, who cannot protect itself similarly as would the US, Russia, or China. And hence, the Iron Dome, the best at what it does, because nobody else would ever need it.
如果它是世界上最好的，那是因?yàn)樗?dú)特了。如果美國、俄羅斯或中國的鄰國往其人口中心發(fā)射導(dǎo)彈，美國、俄羅斯或中國會將該國完全夷為平地，這會給惹麻煩的國家?guī)砭薮蟮钠茐摹?br /> 但是世界上這些偽善的國家為以色列制定了不同的標(biāo)準(zhǔn)，使以色列無法像美國、俄羅斯或中國那樣保護(hù)自己。因此，鐵穹在它最擅長的領(lǐng)域內(nèi)是最好的，因?yàn)槠渌瞬⒉恍枰?/b>
Jay Snead, professional researcher, amateur philosopher
It’s not really an anti-missile system, it is an short range anti-rocket system intended for use for the kind of terror rockets employed by Hamas and Hezbollah.
It is no substitute for true tiered anti-missile systems like the US Patriot, THAAD, or Aegis BMD to engage larger, long range ballistic missiles. This is why Israel is developing a tiered missile system using new Arrow 3, Iron Beam, Barak 8 and David's Sling to counter different threats.
Russia also uses a tiered system with long range S-400, medium range 9K37 Buk, and short range 9K33 Osa.
China uses the Russian s-300 system and is developing their own KT series ABM.
它不是一個真正的反導(dǎo)系統(tǒng)，它只是一個短程的反火箭系統(tǒng)，面對的對象是哈馬斯和真主黨使用的那種恐怖主義火箭。
它不能取代真正的分層反導(dǎo)系統(tǒng)，如美國的愛國者，薩德，或宙斯盾BMD來打擊更大，更遠(yuǎn)程的彈道導(dǎo)彈。這就是為什么以色列正在開發(fā)一個分層導(dǎo)彈系統(tǒng)，使用新的箭-3，鐵梁，巴拉克8和“大衛(wèi)吊索”來對付不同的威脅。
俄羅斯也使用了一個分層防衛(wèi)系統(tǒng)，包括遠(yuǎn)程的S-400、中程9K37 Buk和短程9K33 Osa。
中國使用的是俄羅斯的S-300系統(tǒng)，他同時也正在研制自己的KT系列反導(dǎo)系統(tǒng)。
Yuri Khaizar, lives in The Middle East
It’s a fight proven system designed for specific missions under conditions that most of countries/military doctrines just don’t meet. Population centers/metropolins near enemy lines when the enemy armed with short range missiles. Similar conditions exist in Singhapore and South Korea, may be in couple other places. For the protection of military bases far from population centers, there are cheaper solutions that operate according to the principle of point protection. Recently, Israel has developed new capabilities for the Iron Dome, like a sea based version. Such a system could be of interest to armies other than Singapore and South Korea.
這是一個經(jīng)過戰(zhàn)斗驗(yàn)證的系統(tǒng)，專為在大多數(shù)國家/軍事理論無法滿足的條件下執(zhí)行特定任務(wù)而設(shè)計。當(dāng)敵人裝備短程導(dǎo)彈時，可以用來保護(hù)靠近敵人防線的人口中心/大都市。類似的情況在新加坡和韓國也存在，可能還有其他一些地方。對于遠(yuǎn)離人口中心的軍事基地的保護(hù)，根據(jù)點(diǎn)保護(hù)原則有更便宜的解決方案。最近，以色列為鐵穹開發(fā)了新的功能，比如?；姹尽３录悠潞晚n國外，其他國家的軍隊也可能會對這種系統(tǒng)感興趣。
Owen Ward, Self-proclaimed king of the one-liner，Knows Hebrew
Israel’s Iron Dome is definitely one of, if not the best, anti-rocket systems in the world. It’s also the only one of its kind currently in use.
The Iron Dome uses state of the art scanners to detect incoming rockets and predict their landing site.
It then determines if the area is inhabited, or just a blank patch of desert, which a surprising amount of Israel is.
If it decides people are there, it deploys its own missile to intercept the incoming rocket before it can land. It has a 90% success rate.
以色列的鐵穹絕對是世界上最好的反火箭系統(tǒng)之一，它也是目前同類產(chǎn)品中唯一正在使用的。
“鐵穹”使用最先進(jìn)的雷達(dá)來探測來襲的火箭并預(yù)測它們的著陸地點(diǎn)。
之后它會測算出這個地區(qū)是否有人居住，還是僅僅是一片空白的沙漠，以色列大部分地區(qū)都是沙漠。
如果它判定彈著點(diǎn)有人，它將發(fā)射導(dǎo)彈攔截來襲的火箭并在落地之前將其擊落，它有90%的成功率。
The reason for this is rather simple: The USA, Russia, and China don’t have enemies from the surrounding countries firing rockets at them.
The Iron Dome isn’t cheap, and the countries you mentioned have no need to spend their budget on something they’ll never use.
The US has the Patriot and THAAD systems and Russia has the S400, but those are anti-missile defense systems, while the Iron Dome is meant fir rockets and artillery shells. It can’t actually intercept most modern missiles.
美國、俄羅斯和中國沒有像以色列那樣的火箭防御系統(tǒng)，或者至少我不知道他們是不是有。
原因很簡單：美國、俄羅斯和中國沒有來自周邊國家的向他們發(fā)射火箭的敵人。
鐵穹系統(tǒng)并不便宜，你提到的國家也沒有必要把預(yù)算花在他們永遠(yuǎn)用不上的東西上面。
美國有愛國者和薩德系統(tǒng)，俄羅斯有S400，但這些都是反導(dǎo)彈防御系統(tǒng)，而鐵穹防御的是火箭和炮彈，它實(shí)際上無法攔截大多數(shù)現(xiàn)代導(dǎo)彈。
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Israel is currently working on a defense system called the Iron Beam for modern missiles, which is the Iron Dome with lasers instead of missiles.
所以要回答真正的問題，那就是鐵穹不是一個好的導(dǎo)彈防御系統(tǒng)，因?yàn)樗菫閿r截火箭而設(shè)計的。
以色列目前正在研制一種被稱為“鐵梁”的現(xiàn)代導(dǎo)彈防御系統(tǒng)，它是用激光代替導(dǎo)彈的鐵穹。
The USA, Russia, and China don’t have enemies from the surrounding countries firing rockets at them.
Adding on to this - those countries will retaliate with nuclear weapons in the event they are attacked.
You do not need anti-rocket systems when you show an opponent that their homeland will be vaporized well before any conventional artillery gets in range of your population centres.
美國、俄羅斯和中國沒有來自周邊國家的向他們發(fā)射火箭的敵人。
補(bǔ)充一下，這些國家一旦遭到攻擊，將會用核武器進(jìn)行報復(fù)。
當(dāng)你向?qū)κ直砻?，任何常?guī)炮彈在進(jìn)入你的人口中心的范圍之前他們的家園將被蒸發(fā)時，你不再需要反火箭系統(tǒng)。
Actually ”Arrow” was developed long before “Iron Dome” and first version was deployed in 2000. Now version Arrow-3 is in use and Arrow-4 is under development
Also “David’s Sling” systems which are intended both as anti-aircraft SAM and for use against tactical ballistic missiles started to enter service in 2017 as replacement for obsolete Hawk SAMs (also its future upgraded modifications are intended to replace Patriots as they will start to be phased out)
實(shí)際上，“箭”早在“鐵穹”和2000年部署的第一個版本之前就被開發(fā)出來了，現(xiàn)在版本的箭-3正在使用中，而箭-4正在開發(fā)中。
此外，作為防空導(dǎo)彈和戰(zhàn)術(shù)彈道導(dǎo)彈使用的“大衛(wèi)吊索”系統(tǒng)也于2017年開始投入使用，以取代過時的鷹式防空導(dǎo)彈（此外，其未來的升級版本將會取代愛國者防空系統(tǒng)，因?yàn)樗鼈儗⒅鸩奖惶蕴?/b>
Actually, the US’s Patriot and THAAD systems, as well as Russia’s S400 and soon-to-be S500 systems are RADICALLY better than Iron Dome, in the anti-missile role.
Iron Dome is really an anti-rocket and anti-artillery shell system, with the capability to intercept a few types of actual missiles.
Iron Dome has virtually no capability to intercept modern SSMs and ASMs, and is only modestly effective against cruise missiles. It has ZERO capability against ballistic missiles. In fact, Israel is building a completely different system (the Arrow System) to handle those kinds of threats.
事實(shí)上，美國的愛國者和薩德系統(tǒng)，以及俄羅斯的S400和即將部署的S500的系統(tǒng)，在反導(dǎo)作用上都比“鐵穹”要好得多。
“鐵穹”實(shí)際上是一種反火箭和反炮彈的系統(tǒng)，只具備攔截少數(shù)幾種導(dǎo)彈的能力。
“鐵穹”幾乎沒有攔截現(xiàn)代地地導(dǎo)彈和空地導(dǎo)彈的能力，對巡航導(dǎo)彈的攔截效果也很有限，它對彈道導(dǎo)彈的攔截能力為零。事實(shí)上，以色列正在建設(shè)一個完全不同的系統(tǒng)（箭-系統(tǒng)）來處理這些威脅。
But to answer the original question: NO, Iron Dome isn’t a very good anti-missile system. It’s an anti-rocket defense.
愛國者&薩德系統(tǒng)比鐵穹頂早了十多年，在實(shí)際部署中有很好的反導(dǎo)記錄。俄羅斯S400和后續(xù)的S500在應(yīng)付非彈道導(dǎo)彈方面的表現(xiàn)似乎更好，而在攔截彈道導(dǎo)彈方面的表現(xiàn)則稍為遜色。當(dāng)面對真正的導(dǎo)彈時，這兩者都比鐵穹要優(yōu)越得多。當(dāng)然，美俄兩國的反導(dǎo)系統(tǒng)對大多數(shù)小型火箭都是完全無用的，也根本不能用來對付炮彈。
所以回答原始的問題：不，鐵穹不是一個很好的反導(dǎo)系統(tǒng)，它是一個反火箭防御系統(tǒng)。
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