韓國第一架KF-X原型機已組裝完成92%，將在4月份問世
[South Korea] Assembly of first KF-X prototype at 92% completion; will be rolled out in April
譯文簡介
韓國將于下個月晚些時候推出其自主研發(fā)的下一代戰(zhàn)斗機的首架原型機，即眾所周知的韓國戰(zhàn)斗機實驗飛機(KF-X)。
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SACHEON, South Gyeongsang Province ― South Korea is set to roll out the first prototype of its indigenously developed next-generation fighter jet, widely known as the Korean Fighter eXperimental (KF-X) aircraft, late next month.
慶尚南道沙川報道——韓國將于下個月晚些時候推出其自主研發(fā)的下一代戰(zhàn)斗機的首架原型機，即眾所周知的韓國戰(zhàn)斗機實驗飛機(KF-X)。
A total of six prototypes are in the final stages of assembly at the Korean Aerospace Industries (KAI) headquarters in Sacheon, Gyeongsang Province. Test flights will be carried out next year, following ground testing after the April roll-out.
位于慶尚道的韓國航空航天工業(yè)總部(KAI)，總共有6架原型機處于最后的組裝階段。在4月推出后，將進行地面測試，明年進行試飛。
位于慶尚道的韓國航空航天工業(yè)總部(KAI)，總共有6架原型機處于最后的組裝階段。在4月推出后，將進行地面測試，明年進行試飛。
Industry officials expressed expectations that the KF-X would not only help accelerate domestic production of fighter jet parts but also bring about a considerable economic effect, creating jobs for about 110,000 people during the full development period planned through 2028. Since the KAI embarked on the KF-X development project in 2016 after winning the contract from the government the previous year, the project has created jobs for more than 10,000 people as of 2020, according to the company.
業(yè)內(nèi)官員表示，預計KF-X不僅將有助于加快戰(zhàn)斗機零部件的國內(nèi)生產(chǎn)，還將帶來可觀的經(jīng)濟效應，在全面開發(fā)期間（計劃持續(xù)到2028年），將為約11萬人創(chuàng)造就業(yè)機會。據(jù)該公司稱，自2016年KAI從政府獲得合同后開始KF-X開發(fā)項目以來，截至2020年，該項目已經(jīng)為超過10000人創(chuàng)造了就業(yè)機會。
業(yè)內(nèi)官員表示，預計KF-X不僅將有助于加快戰(zhàn)斗機零部件的國內(nèi)生產(chǎn)，還將帶來可觀的經(jīng)濟效應，在全面開發(fā)期間（計劃持續(xù)到2028年），將為約11萬人創(chuàng)造就業(yè)機會。據(jù)該公司稱，自2016年KAI從政府獲得合同后開始KF-X開發(fā)項目以來，截至2020年，該項目已經(jīng)為超過10000人創(chuàng)造了就業(yè)機會。
Officials also expressed expectations that the KF-X fighter jets will compete in the global market with fifth-generation fighter jets such as the U.S. aerospace giant Lockheed Martin's F-35 and F-22, based on price and technology competitiveness. According to the KAI, the KF-X is designed as a 4.5-generation jet whose basic hardware and platform could be used for further development and conversion into a fifth-generation one with improved "stealth" technologies.
官員們還表示，基于價格和技術競爭力，KF-X戰(zhàn)斗機將與美國航空航天巨頭洛克希德·馬丁公司的F-35和F-22等第五代戰(zhàn)斗機在全球市場上展開競爭。據(jù)KAI介紹，KF-X被設計為4.5代噴氣機，其基本硬件和平臺可用于進一步開發(fā)，并轉(zhuǎn)換為具有改進版“隱形”技術的第五代噴氣機。
官員們還表示，基于價格和技術競爭力，KF-X戰(zhàn)斗機將與美國航空航天巨頭洛克希德·馬丁公司的F-35和F-22等第五代戰(zhàn)斗機在全球市場上展開競爭。據(jù)KAI介紹，KF-X被設計為4.5代噴氣機，其基本硬件和平臺可用于進一步開發(fā)，并轉(zhuǎn)換為具有改進版“隱形”技術的第五代噴氣機。
"As the KF-X has been equipped with hardware to become a stealth fighter, we are currently exploring ways to apply stealth technologies to the jet, although we have yet to specify details for further developments as the military has yet to present the details necessary for further developments after Block I and Block II stages of the KF-X development project," Jung Kwang-sun, director general of the KF-X Program Group under the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA), told reporters who were visiting KAI headquarters, Feb. 24.
“由于KF-X已經(jīng)裝備了可以成為隱形戰(zhàn)斗機的硬件，我們目前正在探索將隱形技術應用到這種噴氣式飛機上的方法，但我們還沒有明確進一步開發(fā)的細節(jié)，因為軍方還沒有在KF-X開發(fā)項目的第1和第2階段之后提供進一步發(fā)展的必要細節(jié)，”2月24日，韓國國防采辦項目管理局下屬的KF-X項目小組主任Jung Kwang-sun對訪問KAI總部的記者說。
“由于KF-X已經(jīng)裝備了可以成為隱形戰(zhàn)斗機的硬件，我們目前正在探索將隱形技術應用到這種噴氣式飛機上的方法，但我們還沒有明確進一步開發(fā)的細節(jié)，因為軍方還沒有在KF-X開發(fā)項目的第1和第2階段之后提供進一步發(fā)展的必要細節(jié)，”2月24日，韓國國防采辦項目管理局下屬的KF-X項目小組主任Jung Kwang-sun對訪問KAI總部的記者說。
The KF-X project is an "evolutionary development" project which is divided into two phases. The first phase, or the Block I stage, is about developing the basic system of the fighter jet from 2016 to 2026. The second phase, or the Block II stage which would be carried out from 2026 to 2028, is about adding more weapon systems.
KF-X項目是一個“進化型開發(fā)”項目，分為兩個階段。第一階段，即Block I階段，是從2016年到2026年開發(fā)戰(zhàn)斗機的基本系統(tǒng)。第二階段，或稱Block II階段，將從2026年到2028年進行，在于增加更多的武器系統(tǒng)。
KF-X項目是一個“進化型開發(fā)”項目，分為兩個階段。第一階段，即Block I階段，是從2016年到2026年開發(fā)戰(zhàn)斗機的基本系統(tǒng)。第二階段，或稱Block II階段，將從2026年到2028年進行，在于增加更多的武器系統(tǒng)。
While the core equipment of the KF-X has been developed with domestic technologies, including active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, infrared search and track (IRST) equipment, electro-optical target tracking (EO TGP) devices and electronic warfare (EW) suite, the target ratio of localization is 65 percent, in terms of the total costs of the parts used for the jet.
雖然KF-X的核心設備是用國內(nèi)技術開發(fā)的，包括有源電子掃描陣列(AESA)雷達，紅外搜索和跟蹤(IRST)設備，光電目標跟蹤(EO TGP)設備和電子戰(zhàn)(EW)套件，但本土化的目標比例為65%，這是根據(jù)用于噴氣機的部件的總成本計算的。
雖然KF-X的核心設備是用國內(nèi)技術開發(fā)的，包括有源電子掃描陣列(AESA)雷達，紅外搜索和跟蹤(IRST)設備，光電目標跟蹤(EO TGP)設備和電子戰(zhàn)(EW)套件，但本土化的目標比例為65%，這是根據(jù)用于噴氣機的部件的總成本計算的。
With 10 stations on the jet, about 50 different weapons combinations that weigh up to 7.7 tons can be carried. The total fuel capacity of the jet is 5.3 tons and it has aerial refuelling capability.
這種噴氣機上裝有10個掛點，大約50種不同的武器組合，可攜帶重量高達7.7噸。這種噴氣式飛機的總?cè)剂夏芰κ?.3噸，并且具有空中加油能力。
這種噴氣機上裝有10個掛點，大約50種不同的武器組合，可攜帶重量高達7.7噸。這種噴氣式飛機的總?cè)剂夏芰κ?.3噸，并且具有空中加油能力。
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This looks absolutely stunning
看起來非常驚艷。
Impressive pace and work. Credit where due.
令人印象深刻的節(jié)奏和工作。值得肯定。
Full FADEC I believe for the F414 engines. Great platform, a first in Asia (outside China) for a stealth design....
我相信它的F414引擎是全FADEC（全權數(shù)字式發(fā)動機控制）。很棒的平臺，是亞洲(中國以外)的第一款隱形設計……
A beautiful piece of engineering.
一個漂亮的工程杰作。
Wow that's gorgeous.
Tiny country off to the side of the world with not a lot of natural resources and look at how they have developed and advanced. All through sheer determination, hard work and will power. I wish Pakistanis had just 10% of the work ethic and drive of the Koreans.
哇，很漂亮。
韓國是世界另一邊的一個沒有太多自然資源的小國，看看他們多么的發(fā)達和進步。這一切都要靠決心、努力和意志力。我希望巴基斯坦人的職業(yè)道德和干勁能有韓國人的10%就好了。
Would this be considered a full blown 5th gen Stealth aircraft or more low observable 4.5+ gen?
Seems to be a great design but does not have internal weapons bay and ordnance is carried on external hardpoints. What kind of RAM coating does it use?
這是完全成熟的第五代隱形飛機，還是4.5代+的低可視隱形飛機?
似乎是一款偉大的設計，但沒有內(nèi)部武器艙，武器裝在外部掛載點上。它使用的是哪種RAM涂層?
Block 2 is planned to be full STEALTH. The development of block 2, particularly the software has already been started. The design has already considered internal weapon with 6 AA missiles.
第二批計劃完全隱形。第二批的開發(fā)，特別是軟件的開發(fā)已經(jīng)開始。其設計已經(jīng)考慮使用6枚AA導彈作為內(nèi)置武器。
Nah.. Here we will destroy the people who are actually working for good by imposing absurd policies like quota system and discrimination based on ethnicity , cast , language or birdari..
South Korea is a homogenous country where they don't have such issues ... They are more evolved and not primitive like us.
做不到，在我們國家，我們將通過實施荒謬的政策，比如配額制度和基于種族、種姓、語言或伯達里語的歧視，摧毀那些真正在做好事的人。
而韓國是一個單一民族國家，他們沒有這樣的問題……他們進化的更好，不像我們這樣原始。
This plane is stealth like without internal weapons bay....why didnt go all in stealth plane I wonder...
這架飛機看起來是隱形的，卻沒有內(nèi)部武器艙……為什么不搞全隱形飛機?
Despite it doesnt have internal weapon bay in block 1, but the overall RCS will be much reduce compared to 4 generation design like Rafale. And dont forget it does have semi internal weapon for 4 missiles if you look on the belly. For STEALTH configuration it can fly quite STEALTHY with 4 missiles in the belly. Here
Other reasons:
1. To make it less complicated and the full STEALTH version will be developed in block 2 (according to the plan, and yes it has allready been developed now). Need to inform you that the design has already considered internal weapon bay. You can see sticky KFX/IFX thread to read from the engineers words themselves
2. Indonesia needs long range fighter and we need additional fuel tanks. It is due to our vast territory, both sea and land. Korea also consider China and Japan as threat, so they are also benefiting from this design.
3. We can see even USA is still buying F 15 EX, it shows less STEALTH fighter is still useful in real combat.
盡管第一批沒有內(nèi)部武器艙，但總體RCS（雷達橫截面）比4代機型如“陣風”要小得多。而且別忘了，如果看它的腹部，就知道它有可以發(fā)射4枚導彈的半內(nèi)置武器倉。在隱身配置上，它可以在腹部裝有4枚導彈的情況下相當隱形地飛行。
其他原因：
1. 降低開發(fā)的復雜程度，完全隱形的版本將在block 2中開發(fā)(根據(jù)計劃，是的，現(xiàn)在已經(jīng)在開發(fā)了)。需要說明的是，設計已經(jīng)考慮了內(nèi)部武器艙。可以看到KFX/IFX的相關貼子看看工程師自己的話。
2. 印尼需要遠程戰(zhàn)斗機，而且需要額外的油箱。這要歸功于我們幅員遼闊的陸地和海洋。韓國也把中國和日本視為威脅，所以他們也從這個設計中受益。
3.我們可以看到美國仍然在購買f15 EX，這表明隱形能力較低的戰(zhàn)機在實戰(zhàn)中仍然有用。
Less stealthy fighter is only useful against non stealthy aircraft. If against full stealth aircraft. You will be eaten for lunch.
不隱形的戰(zhàn)斗機只對不隱形的飛機有用。如果對抗全隱形飛機，就是小菜一碟。
Wonderful work by Koreans, very hard-working and determined and friendly as well, met a lot of them in my workplace, they are very nice, to say the least.
韓國人做得很好，非常努力，有決心，也很友好，在我的工作場所遇到過很多韓國人，至少可以說他們很不錯。
Does Indonesia own the intellectual property? Can it export without South Korean permission?
印尼擁有知識產(chǎn)權嗎?它能在沒有韓國許可的情況下出口嗎?
doesnt look much stealthy from above config though ....but the 4 AAMs are pretty much attached to belly that might be better for stealthy profile good for Air to Air stealthy role but if south korea on thr first try can manufacture that pretty sure coming iterations will be easily matching west...
south korea has very advanced industry so expected..
但是從上面看不太隱形……配置但是4枚防空導彈幾乎都安裝在腹部，這可能更有利于隱形性能，有利于空對空任務，但如果韓國第一次嘗試就能造出來，那么很肯定的是，接下來的迭代將很容易趕上西方……韓國有非常先進的工業(yè)，所以我很期待……
Why does every new stealth aircraft look like a rip-off of an F-22?
為什么每一種新的隱形飛機看起來都像F-22的仿制品?
Despite our aerospace experts are contributing to design and R&D with substantial amount of experts/engineers (52 experts since 2011, increases into 114 in 2019), but due to our financial contribution is only 20 % and the promised acquisition is only 48 planes so look like we dont have IP right and dont have export license (it is what we are negotiating).
Despite so, financially we will get 20 % of all sales and contribute making parts for all KFX/IFX. The full production is only for IFX (making parts, assembling, integration) while for order outside Indonesia, we only supply parts and possibly regional maintenance.
All Indonesian engineers has come back to Indonesia since March 2020 and waiting for renegotiation result.
盡管我們的航空專家和大量的專家/工程師正在為設計和研發(fā)做出貢獻（從2011年的52名專家，增加到2019年的114名），但由于我們的財政貢獻只有20%，而且只承諾購買48架飛機，所以我們大概沒有知識產(chǎn)權，也沒有出口許可(這是我們正在談判的地方)。
盡管如此，從財務上講，我們將獲得所有銷售額的20%，并為所有KFX/IFX提供零部件。我們的全部產(chǎn)品只能用于IFX(制造部件，組裝，集成)，而對于印尼以外的訂單，我們只提供部件和可能的區(qū)域維護。
所有印尼工程師已于2020年3月返回印尼，等待重新談判結(jié)果。
The quality of this jet looks great.
Form follows function
這架飛機的質(zhì)量看起來很好。
功能決定外形。
The build quality looks immaculate, perfect. At Western Standards for sure. They have achieved a lot given their size and the cost of the programme. A 4.5+ gen homegrown is better than not having it, and it gives them the foundation on which to attempt a 5-6 gen hybrid platform for the next iteration.
Interesting privacy cover mask on the MFD !!!! It is always the fist thing i look at and there is not much to see there.
The symbology on the HUD looks alot like the F16.. i guess form follows function and your experience..
建造質(zhì)量看起來完美無瑕。當然是以西方的標準。考慮到該項目的規(guī)模和成本，他們已經(jīng)取得了很大成就。自產(chǎn)4.5代以上總比沒有好，這也為他們嘗試下一種5-6代混合平臺打下基礎。
有趣是進氣口上罩著罩子!!!!我總是第一眼看到那玩意，而那里沒什么可看的。
HUD上的符號看起來很像F16……我想外形要遵循功能和經(jīng)驗……
without internal weapon bay disappointed
沒有內(nèi)置武器艙，失望。
Latest photos from Korea Aerospace Industries assembly line featuring KF-X and Light Armed Helicopter were unveiled yesterday. These images were accompanied by several important upxes regarding the overall program.
As of now, 8 prototype aircraft are being assembled simultaneously and four of them are already in late or final stages. 6 will be used for flight testing while 2 will be used for ground testing. 2 prototypes will be two-seater variants.
The first prototype aircraft is about 92% assembled and will be unveiled in April. First flight is expected to occur on July, 2022 following a year of ground testing. 2nd 3rd prototypes will finish assembly by the end of the year and 4th ~ 6th by next year. Overall development is scheduled to be completed by 2026 following operational deployment of KF-X.
As of first prototype aircraft, localization rates of four “core technology” are as follows:
AESA Radar: 89%
IRST: 37%
EO TGP: 82%
EW Suite: 77%
Lastly, KF-X will reportedly be painted same color as ROKAF’s F-15K (dark grey).
KF-X is a 4.5th gen fighter jet being developed by Korea Aerospace Industries in partnership with Lockheed Martin for the Republic of Korea Air Force. Featuring dimension of 16.9m x 4.7m x 11.2m, KF-X is larger than F-16 and is of similiar size as F-18. Development of KF-X began in earnest on January 2016 and the assembly process began in 2019 after Critical Design Review (CDR) was completed in 2018. KF-X will operate alongside more advanced F-35A in ROKAF inventory.
Light Armed Helicopter (LAH) is based on the Airbus H155B1 (EC155), which is a modernized version of older AS365 Dauphin, and is being developed to replace the Republic of Korea Army's aging MD500 Defender helicopters.. KAI took over the manufacturing license for the model and is developing both military (LAH) and civil (LCH) models. Meanwhile, Airbus has shifted its focus to its latest H160 helicopter.
這是韓國航空航天工業(yè)的最新照片，展示了昨天公布的KF-X和輕型武裝直升機。這些圖像是伴隨著該項目的幾個重要更新出現(xiàn)的。
到目前為止，8架原型機正在同時組裝，其中4架已經(jīng)進入后期或最后階段。6架將用于飛行測試，而2架將用于地面測試。還有2架原型機將是雙座的變種。
第一架原型機的組裝完成度約為92%，將于4月亮相。在經(jīng)過一年的地面測試后，第一次飛行預計將于2022年7月進行。第二、三架原型將在年底完成組裝，第四、六架原型將在明年完成組裝?？傮w開發(fā)計劃在KF-X作戰(zhàn)部署后的2026年完成。
截至首架原型機，四項“核心技術”國產(chǎn)化率如下:
AESA雷達:89%
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EO TGP:82%
電子戰(zhàn)套件:77%.
最后，據(jù)報道KF-X將被漆成與韓國空軍F-15K相同的顏色(深灰色)。
KF-X是韓國航空航天工業(yè)公司與洛克希德·馬丁公司為大韓民國空軍合作開發(fā)的4.5代戰(zhàn)斗機。尺寸為16.9米*4.7米*11.2米，KF-X比F-16大，尺寸與F-18相似。KF-X的開發(fā)于2016年1月正式開始，在2018年完成關鍵設計審查(CDR)后，組裝過程于2019年開始。KF-X將與更先進的F-35A一起進入韓國空軍運行。
為取代大韓民國陸軍老化的MD500“防御”直升機，韓國正在以空客的H155B1 (EC155)為藍本——較早的AS365“海豚”的現(xiàn)代化版本——開發(fā)輕型武裝直升機(LAH)。KAI接手了該機型的制造許可證，并正在開發(fā)軍用(LAH)和民用(LCH)型號。與此同時，空中客車公司將注意力轉(zhuǎn)移到其最新的H160直升機上。
89% of the radar? That's impressive. What's imported?
89%的雷達?真是令人印象深刻。進口了什么?
It seems South-Korea is going for a long term strategic investment in defense industry and home grown capabilities.
韓國似乎正在對國防工業(yè)和國產(chǎn)能力進行長期戰(zhàn)略投資。
They're the first line of defense, wish them the best.
他們處于國防產(chǎn)業(yè)的第一線，祝他們一切順利。
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Anyone else think the KF-X looks like a cross between the F-35 and F-22?
It's certainly useful to see SK building up a more prominent aerospace industry but what exactly are their goals here? Just to create a jobs program or replace foreign sales and simplify logistics?
還有人認為KF-X看起來像F-35和F-22的混合體嗎?
看到韓國建立一個更突出的航空航天產(chǎn)業(yè)，當然很有用，但他們的目標到底是什么?僅僅是創(chuàng)造一個就業(yè)計劃，或者取代國外銷售和簡化后勤?
Mostly logistics.
Everytime a problem occurs in a american plane, we often have to wait months to fix it cause we don't have clearence.
Selling would be pretty dope tho. We've conqured the land and sea, the only thing left is air.
主要是后勤。
每次美制飛機出現(xiàn)問題，我們通常都要等上幾個月才能得到解決，因為我們沒有得到許可。
不過，軍售將會很酷。我們已經(jīng)征服了陸地和海洋，只剩下天空了。
It's part of the ROK's $300 billion military modernization program - where everything from new naval carriers, to new tanks, to new subs, new missiles, and new drones are developed inhouse. This KFX jet was first meant to replace the old Vietnam War era F-4 and F-5 jets, but the decision makers decided why stop there, why not South Korea have their own stealthy jet? South Korea also developed their own AESA radar, after the US side refused the tech transfer. The engine is a General Electric engine to start, while the South Korea is secretly developing their own engine and hope to replace it in few years. This new KFX jet will position between the 4th gen F-15 and the 5th gen F-35 to start, but they are planning block 2 and block 3 stages where it will become a full fledged 5th gen stealth fighter. The first service date is scheduled for 2026, while the first prototype will begin testing in April or May of this year.
這是韓國耗資3000億美元的軍事現(xiàn)代化計劃的一部分，包括新海軍航母、新坦克、新潛艇、新導彈和新無人機等一切，都是在韓國國內(nèi)研發(fā)的。這架KFX戰(zhàn)機最初是為了取代越南戰(zhàn)爭時期的F-4和F-5戰(zhàn)機，但決策者心想，為什么要僅止于此呢？為什么韓國不擁有自己的隱形戰(zhàn)機么？在美國拒絕技術轉(zhuǎn)讓后，韓國也開發(fā)了自己的AESA雷達。其發(fā)動機從通用電氣發(fā)動機起步，而韓國正在秘密開發(fā)自己的發(fā)動機，并希望在幾年內(nèi)將其替換。這架新的KFX戰(zhàn)機將定位在第4代F-15和第5代F-35之間，但他們正在計劃第2和第3階段，它將成為成熟的第5代隱形戰(zhàn)斗機。首架服役日期預計在2026年，而首架原型機將在今年4月或5月開始測試。
Doesn’t stealth require geometry to be different? Can they actually add stealth to an existing frx?
隱形不是需要不同的幾何形狀嗎?他們能否在現(xiàn)有機體中添加隱形功能?
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Block 3 KF-X will have a fully functional internal weapons bay. The first blocks will have weapons mounted externally, but the later models can carry them internally for stealth.
It's not without precedence to "add" stealth to an airfrx, Boeing tried it on the Advanced Super Hornet and F-15 Silent Eagle, but it's obviously better to design it in from the start. South Korea are in a slightly better position in that the actually structural shaping mostly follows conventional stealth principles, and they'll be improving the materials and electronic side of things over time. It probably won't come close to Lockheed's or Northrop's stealth platforms, but it'll be a good start, better than the 4th gen platforms like Typhoon and Rafale.
第三批次的KF-X將有一個功能齊全的內(nèi)部武器艙。第一批次將在外部掛載武器，但后來的型號可以在內(nèi)部攜帶武器實現(xiàn)隱形。
在現(xiàn)有機體上“添加”隱形功能并非沒有先例，波音公司曾在先進的超級大黃蜂和F-15“沉默之鷹”上嘗試過，但顯然從一開始就進行隱形設計會更好。韓國的情況稍好一些，因為實際上結(jié)構塑造主要遵循傳統(tǒng)的隱身原則，而且他們將隨著時間的推移改善材料和電子方面的東西。它可能不會接近洛克希德或諾斯羅普的隱形平臺，但它將是一個良好的開始，好于第四代平臺，如臺風和陣風。
Yeah if the F-35 has an RCS of less than 0.01 M2, then KF-X probably will ultimately end up with a frontal RCS of 0.1 M2 or so. That's still a huge deal, it will more than cut detection ranges in half in comparison to existing airfrxs. That's still a massive tactical advantage.
是的，如果F-35的RCS小于0.01平方米，那么KF-X最終的RCS可能是0.1平方米左右。這仍然是一個很好的買賣，與現(xiàn)有的機體相比，這將讓探測范圍減少一半以上。這仍然是一個巨大的戰(zhàn)術優(yōu)勢。
Yup, especially if you think about what aircraft (F-4s and F-5s) these are meant to replace.
是的，尤其是當我們想到它打算用來取代哪些飛機(F-4和F-5)時。
It's a major upgrade for sure. I will be curious to see what sustainment costs look like if we ever get that info.
I doubt unit cost will be lower than F-35's, but it seems to be a simpler aircraft in a lot of ways (at least at this stage) so it could be it'll cost a lot less to operate.
Lifecycle costs are 70% of the price of an aircraft, after all. If you can get those costs down, you're getting a better deal than you would with a lower unit cost usually.
這肯定是一個重大升級。我很好奇它的成本會維持到什么水平，不知道能不能得到相關信息。
我懷疑其單位成本會比F-35低，但它在很多方面似乎是一種更簡單的飛機(至少在現(xiàn)階段)，所以它的操作成本可能會低很多。
畢竟，一架飛機的生命周期成本是其價格的70%。如果你能降低這些成本，相比于通常較低的單位成本，是更劃算的事情。
South Korea is secretly developing their own engine
韓國正在秘密開發(fā)他們自己的發(fā)動機。
Let's just call it, officially South Korea keeps mums on it, due to the inevitable negative blowbacks. But there are a lot of writeups, reports, blogs, and news articles in Korean, on discussing the engine program that's supposed to not exist.
我們姑且稱其為，由于不可避免的負面影響，韓國官方對此保持沉默。但是有很多韓語的文章、報道、博客和新聞文章都在討論這個本不應該存在的引擎計劃。
More like a modernized super hornet imho
我覺得它更像是現(xiàn)代化的超級大黃蜂。
I don't think Korea can manage to keep the cost down nearly as well with planes as it can with ships. Lack of domestic aviation industry is a fundamental problem. If they could it would be a competitive product.
Of course provided the foreign components aren't a ball and chain.
我不認為韓國能像造船業(yè)那樣把飛機成本控制得很低。缺乏國內(nèi)航空業(yè)是一個根本性的問題。如果他們可以，這將是一種有競爭力的產(chǎn)品。
當然要假設外國零件不會成為拖累。
They can if they are sourcing the components they can’t domestically produce. Especially if they’re getting the technology transfer through co development.
如果將國內(nèi)無法生產(chǎn)的零部件外包出去，他們就能做到。特別是如果他們通過合作開發(fā)獲得技術轉(zhuǎn)讓的話。
Naturally. Lockheed Martin is one of the lead participants to this project, and sent 100+ Engineers to support KAI.
The goal is to replace the aging F-4 and F-5 (yes, the F-5s) fleet of 120+. Eventually the Block 2 will replace KF-16's.
自然。洛克希德·馬丁公司是這個項目的主要參與者之一，并派出了100多名工程師來支持KAI。
其目標是取代120多架老化的F-4和F-5(是的，是F-5)機隊。最終，Block 2將取代KF-16。
Is there a chance that LM may use this plane to sell in US and other countries?
LM是否有可能拿這種飛機在美國和其他國家銷售?
Even knowing S Korea's technology, and manufacturing prowess, I'm still impressed.
即使了解韓國的技術和制造能力，這件事仍然讓我印象深刻。
Honestly? I wouldn't mind if the US just bought some of these as a stop-gap to the F-35/F-22/F-16 storm that is brewing, and I'm sure Korea would love to get the defense off-set.
It won't happen, obviously, but I wouldn't mind if it did.
真的嗎？我不介意美國少量購買一些，作為對正在醞釀的F-35/F-22/F-16風暴的權宜之計，我相信韓國會很高興得到這種能夠抵消國防采購的裝備。
這顯然不會發(fā)生，但真的發(fā)生了，我也不介意。
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American arms manufactures would lose their mind, could you even imagine?
美國武器制造商會瘋掉的，你能想象嗎?
It was developed in partnership with Lockheed and you could have an American company manufacture them domestically under a different designation.
它是與洛克希德公司合作開發(fā)的，美國可以讓一家美國公司在其國內(nèi)以別的名義進行制造。
Manufactured there? Absolutely. Licensed to be built in the US (like how we license Ship hull designs to ROK)? Maybe. Still would be a fight though.
在那里制造？絕對是的。許可在美國制造（就像我們許可在韓國制造船體一樣）？也許吧。但依然會有爭吵。
Considering that LM is involved in this, it may get a pass and build in US.
考慮到洛馬參與其中，它可能會得到一個許可，并在美國國內(nèi)制造。
Politically infeasible for the US side. There will be howls of protests if that was to happen.
However, South Korea probably has a fair shot at bidding for the US military's replacement of the old Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicle, with ROK's new AS21 "Redback" which is currently leading the bid for Australia's armored vehicle replacement program.
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/as21-redback-infantry-fighting-vehicle/
對美國來說，這在政治上是不可行的。如果真的發(fā)生了，抗議的喧囂將沸反盈天。
然而，在競標美軍替換舊的布拉德利步兵車的采購案上，韓國可能得到一個公平的機會，韓國的新AS21“Redback”目前是澳大利亞裝甲車輛替換計劃的主要競標者。
Lockheed Martin has been making the 'it will be cheaper' promise since before day 1 of the F-35 program, and it has yet to be true. The DOD is losing patience, and has hinted at scrapping the whole thing in favor of new fighter program that has more in common with the F-16 than it does with the F-35.
從F-35項目開始的第一天起，洛克希德·馬丁公司就一直承諾“它會更便宜”，但這一承諾尚未實現(xiàn)。美國國防部正在失去耐心，并暗示要放棄整個計劃，轉(zhuǎn)而支持更加接近F-16（而非F-35）的新戰(zhàn)斗機項目。
No one is suggesting "scrapping" the F35 program? If you think they are please provide a source, I would like to know
沒有人建議“廢除”F35項目吧?如果你認為有，請?zhí)峁┮粋€來源，我想知道。
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If this succeeds it will be a good news for NATO countries that cannot afford the latest Gen 5 fighter like the F-35
如果這一計劃成功，對那些買不起F-35等最新5代戰(zhàn)斗機的北約國家來說，將是一個好消息。
Is this thing any cheaper than an F-35?
這東西比F-35便宜嗎?
It better be. It exists purely because operating 200+ F-35 was not feasible for South Korea.
最好比F-35便宜。它的存在純粹是因為在韓國運行200多架F-35戰(zhàn)機不可行。
It doesn't have to be.
Life cycle cost is 70% of total cost. You can pay more for domestic products and still have major savings over the lifetime of the jet.
其實并不一定是這樣。
生命周期成本占總成本的70%。你可以在國產(chǎn)裝備上花更多的錢，但在飛機的整個使用壽命期間仍能節(jié)省很多錢。
In theory it would be worth it for ROK even if it wasn't because a sizeable bunch of its cost would stay inside its economy.
理論上，這對韓國來說是值得的，即使不值得，也有相當大一部分成本將留在韓國經(jīng)濟內(nèi)部。
Yes but they're talking about foreign buys for NATO countries.
是的，但是他們說的是北約國家的外部采購。
Presumably as production numbers increase and the plane is developed further, costs will drop. The question is, will they drop enough to make it an attractive option for foreign customers?
據(jù)推測，隨著產(chǎn)量的增加和這種飛機的進一步開發(fā)，其成本將會下降。問題是，它們的價格是否會下降到足以讓它成為對外國客戶有吸引力的選擇?
The question is it cheap enough replace F-16 and older gen compared to F-35.
問題是，與F-35相比，它是否足夠便宜，以取代F-16和更早的飛機？