網(wǎng)友抱怨大學(xué)教育：課堂教兩個(gè)小時(shí)的東西，為什么看五分鐘的視頻就能學(xué)會(huì)？
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美國(guó)網(wǎng)友也開始抱怨應(yīng)試教育了。
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>讀課上發(fā)的數(shù)學(xué)教材
>感到無可救藥地困擾，一點(diǎn)兒都看不懂
>去上兩小時(shí)的課，五分鐘后就跟不上了
>回家把作業(yè)復(fù)制粘貼到y(tǒng)outube上
>用了五分鐘就弄明白該怎么做了
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Most of school is glorified babysitting combined with societal conditioning
絕大多數(shù)學(xué)校都不過是光明正大的看孩子和社交康復(fù)訓(xùn)練而已。
學(xué)校真正教的知識(shí)每天花幾分鐘就能學(xué)會(huì)了。
That's because schools are angry their $100K classes that take 4 years to complete can be summarized into a 6 minute YouTube video for free.
這是因?yàn)閷W(xué)校覺得他們花十萬美元加上四年時(shí)間才能完成的學(xué)位在YouTube上花6分鐘的時(shí)間看一個(gè)免費(fèi)視頻就能學(xué)會(huì)很讓人生氣。
編輯：我親愛的自閉網(wǎng)友們，冷靜點(diǎn)。這條評(píng)論有一部分是玩笑。
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Imagine thinking this unironically
怎么會(huì)有人真的這么想
更不用說，假如你花了那么多錢，那么你上的應(yīng)該是非常優(yōu)秀的學(xué)?！竭@個(gè)程度，你受到的教育就不重要了，人脈才是重要的。
話雖如此，我知道這個(gè)版有很多人還很年輕。好好考慮考慮職業(yè)學(xué)校吧。當(dāng)一個(gè)水管工，或電工，或機(jī)械師（只要你不是無可救藥的傻逼）能讓你賺很多錢，只要你夠聰明，并且最終能獨(dú)立工作。真的，現(xiàn)在大學(xué)學(xué)位可并不像以前那么吃香了。
That’s why I’m applying with the intent of Nuclear engineering
所以我才在申請(qǐng)核工程方面的學(xué)位
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My advice, don't. Few jobs specifically in nuclear eng. Most eng jobs in nuclear are mech, civil, or electrical.
我的建議是你別申請(qǐng)。核工程以后能找到的工作尤其少。絕大多數(shù)核領(lǐng)域的工程師工作都是機(jī)械工程，土木工程或是電氣工程。
相關(guān)：業(yè)內(nèi)的機(jī)械工程師
Rip, time to do aeronautics then and just work for Raytheon, war isn’t going out of business anytime soon
那完了，干脆學(xué)學(xué)航空航天給雷神打工吧，畢竟戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)財(cái)什么時(shí)候都能發(fā)。
Again kinda the same thing, although I'm not as familiar with the American aerospace industry. But if it's anything like Canada, mech can do / learn an aero's job, making an aero degree mostly redundant. Only reasons to go aero is to do a master's/doctorate or you're looking for a very very specialized job.
那和剛才也差不多，雖然我對(duì)美國(guó)的航空業(yè)了解不多。但假如和加拿大類似的話，那么機(jī)械工程的學(xué)生可以干，也可以學(xué)航空工程的工作，后者的學(xué)位就沒什么用。學(xué)航空唯一的理由，要么是追求碩博學(xué)位，要么是你想找一個(gè)非常非常專門的工作。
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假如你只是想多賺點(diǎn)錢，那不如選一個(gè)用途多樣的學(xué)位。比如機(jī)械工程，電氣工程和土木工程。剩下的都是專業(yè)化的方面，并且會(huì)降低你找到工作的概率。（并不是說學(xué)航空的干不了機(jī)械的工作或是反過來，但是用人單位看見你簡(jiǎn)歷上的“航空工程學(xué)士”學(xué)位之后會(huì)覺得你除了航空別的什么也干不了。）
Specialization is for insects.
只有昆蟲才專業(yè)化。
Id like to apply for a chirping cricket position
您好我想應(yīng)聘一個(gè)叫蟈蟈兒的崗位
Be prepared to suck a professor's dick for 15 years, the non-general fields like aeronautics and ceramics with for the military have like ten dudes actually working in them, and half are there just to suck off the other five
準(zhǔn)備好給你的教授拍個(gè)十五年的馬屁吧，像航空學(xué)和陶瓷材料學(xué)這種軍方背景、非通用的領(lǐng)域一般來說都有十個(gè)人工作，其中五個(gè)人負(fù)責(zé)給另外五個(gè)人拍馬屁。
If your looking for easy jobs with high pay than comp sci is the way to go. Software engineering isn't going away anytime soon and just about every industry needs them.
假如你想找一個(gè)輕松賺大錢的工作，那建議學(xué)計(jì)科。軟件工程仍然有廣闊的前景，并且?guī)缀趺總€(gè)行業(yè)都需要相關(guān)人才。
The competition for junior positions is incredibly tough. Unless you love it and willing to put in 100% I'm not sure I'd recommend it at the moment
但是這行里對(duì)初級(jí)崗位的競(jìng)爭(zhēng)非常激烈。除非你喜歡這一行，愿意花100%的精力在上面，否則至少我不推薦你現(xiàn)在轉(zhuǎn)這行。
If these jobs are so easy, why do they pay so well?
要是這些工作真的像你說的那么簡(jiǎn)單，為什么工資還這么高呢？
Anybody can write code.
誰都能寫代碼。
但不是誰都能設(shè)計(jì)軟件。
food is always on the list of things that people will always want, food, clothing, (quality) tools, these also don't put blood on your hands (except for maybe tools)
食物是人們永遠(yuǎn)需要的東西，食物，衣服，（有品質(zhì)的）工具，這些同時(shí)也不會(huì)讓你受傷（可能工具制造業(yè)會(huì)受傷？）
I was so retarded i graduated with "renewables engineering" and found out that in renewables they look for mech engs and view people like me basically as unqualified generalists, while the the industry needs specialists.
我太弱智了，拿了個(gè)“可再生工程”的學(xué)位，然后發(fā)現(xiàn)在可再生領(lǐng)域他們招聘的都是機(jī)械工程的學(xué)生，覺得我們是不夠格的一般型人才，而行業(yè)需要的是專業(yè)的人才。
It's fine, you're not the first nor the last to fall for it. Universities are scummy businesses that prey on 17 year olds who don't know any better.
這倒還好，你不是第一個(gè)，也不是最后一個(gè)上這種當(dāng)?shù)?。大學(xué)就是專門騙那些什么也不懂的17歲小孩兒的詐騙企業(yè)。
Same thing happens to a lot of finance grads. A lot of places prefer accounting or Econ majors
這種事情在金融學(xué)畢業(yè)生身上也會(huì)發(fā)生。很多地方更喜歡招會(huì)計(jì)或經(jīng)濟(jì)專業(yè)的人才。（譯注：其實(shí)更更喜歡招有數(shù)學(xué)背景的基礎(chǔ)科學(xué)人才）
Aye I picked civil engineering. Basically walk into a job as we’re always gonna need infrastructure - pandemic or not
對(duì)，我選了土木工程?；旧虾敛毁M(fèi)力就能找到工作，因?yàn)榛A(chǔ)設(shè)施總要用到我們——無論有沒有疫情
Pretty much everyone I’ve spoken to about any niche part of engineering just says to go mech or EE. Or even CS. You’re gonna have more of that in building a rocket or nuke plant than actual Aeros and nukes.
基本上我聊過的所有細(xì)分的工程領(lǐng)域人才都會(huì)說去學(xué)機(jī)械工程或電氣工程。甚至計(jì)算機(jī)科學(xué)。無論是造火箭還是核電站，這些學(xué)科教給你的東西都比真正的航空工程和核工程教的多。
比如貝葉斯什么什么的。
Unless you already have a clear path to a career in nuclear my advice would be try to find a sustainability program with an energy focus if possible. Still looks fine for a nuclear job as well as literally any other renewable field like wind and solar so you get a lot more options to fall back on. I was looking at green building design job listings the other day because the degree looks good for that field of work too so why not
除非你在核電方面已經(jīng)規(guī)劃好了非常清楚的職業(yè)生涯，不然我的建議就是找一個(gè)可持續(xù)發(fā)展方面的培訓(xùn)項(xiàng)目，如果可能的話和能源方面沾點(diǎn)關(guān)系。這樣無論是在找核電方面的工作的時(shí)候，還是在找風(fēng)能太陽能等其他可再生能源的工作的時(shí)候都有底。我前幾天甚至找過綠色建筑設(shè)計(jì)的工作，因?yàn)槲业膶W(xué)位很符合他們的要求，所以為什么不試試看呢？
The vast majority of people repeating this do not work in the trades. The reason their is a lack of trade workers is because most of them are paid like shit once you factor in increased medical costs along with lower quality and shorter lifespan.
大多數(shù)跟你們說去職業(yè)學(xué)校學(xué)習(xí)的人，他們自己都不干相關(guān)的職業(yè)。社會(huì)缺乏藍(lán)領(lǐng)工人的原因就是一旦你把低生活質(zhì)量，短人均壽命和高醫(yī)藥消費(fèi)算進(jìn)去，這些行業(yè)其實(shí)薪酬都很低。
Ive done all sorts of shit jobs, including landscaping/electrical/carpentry laborer.
我這些行業(yè)都做過，造景，電工，木工等等。
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那些同事看上去都起碼六十歲，然后碰巧一起喝酒的時(shí)候告訴你他三十七，身子骨已經(jīng)快他媽散架了。
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That sounds like peanuts when you compare to film production guys, who regularly work 14-20 hour days for months on end. Not trying to one up you but there's always someone who has it worse. I'm trying to escape the film business and doing landscaping for measly 8 hour days seems heavenly.
這比起來跟影視工業(yè)都不叫事兒，我們每天工作14-20個(gè)小時(shí)，全月無休。我沒有和你攀比的意思，只是想說總有人比你更慘。我現(xiàn)在很想離開電影工業(yè)，去景觀行業(yè)工作實(shí)施，因?yàn)橐惶彀诵r(shí)對(duì)我來說簡(jiǎn)直是天堂。
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Most of the trades aren't that physically taxing. I know a bunch of old electricians and plumbers that are in fine health. The downside to a trade is that there often isn't a lot of room for growth. You can start out making great money, but the pay doesn't go up much from there unless you start your own business.
絕大多數(shù)藍(lán)領(lǐng)職業(yè)并不是像你說的那樣耗費(fèi)體力。我認(rèn)識(shí)不少老電工、老水管工，他們的身體都不錯(cuò)。這些職業(yè)的缺點(diǎn)其實(shí)是上限不高。你可以剛?cè)胄芯唾嵈箦X，但除非你出去單干，否則工資不會(huì)漲得太多。
Yea people here are exaggerating. I loved (past tense) working on cars when I was a kid and became an A tech Diesel mechanic. No schooling just worked my way up studied got a few certifications and had a few lucky breaks. I make excellent money (relatively speaking) now in an expensive area. Mechanics have had a rough go the past 20 years there’s (not surprisingly) a HUGE shortage of them. The work isn’t that strenuous and it keeps you in excellent shape if paired with a good diet. Most laborers treat their body like complete shit, drink, smoke, and are overweight. Yea doing manual labor if your 25-40 pounds overweight is going to hurt your knees and back. You weigh more then your body is meant to handle add on top of that crouching, kneeling, and lifting of course it’ll take a toll on your body
沒錯(cuò)，這兒的人都在夸大其詞。小時(shí)候我曾經(jīng)（過去式）很喜歡搗鼓車子，后來就成了一名柴油機(jī)械師。沒上過正經(jīng)培訓(xùn)，全靠自己琢磨，考了幾個(gè)證，被幸運(yùn)眷顧過幾次?，F(xiàn)在我在一個(gè)昂貴的行業(yè)領(lǐng)著非常棒（相對(duì)來講）的薪資。過去20年里機(jī)械工的日子不算好過，并且（毫不意外地）供不應(yīng)求。但這一行并沒那么費(fèi)力氣，并且假如你飲食規(guī)律的話還能讓你的體型保持在很好的狀態(tài)。太多體力勞動(dòng)者完全不在乎自己的身體，他們喝酒，抽煙，并且過度肥胖。假如你是個(gè)體力勞動(dòng)者，并且比別人胖上25-40磅，那你確實(shí)要傷膝蓋和后背。你本來就比你身體能支撐的重量要重，何況你還要不斷地下蹲，匍匐，舉重，那當(dāng)然是要讓你的身體付出代價(jià)的。
My pre-med buddies are still in school, but the trade school guys are off to the races.
我讀醫(yī)學(xué)預(yù)科的哥們兒們還在上學(xué)，但那幫讀技校的早就沖出起跑線了。
如果你從事需要大量體力勞動(dòng)的行業(yè)的話，小心一點(diǎn)，假如你不夠小心，真的會(huì)把你的身體搞垮。
That’s the biggest difference, If you want to make money being a doctor, you don’t have to figure out anything other than how to be a doctor.
這是最大的區(qū)別，假如你想當(dāng)醫(yī)生賺錢，那你除了弄明白怎么當(dāng)醫(yī)生之外什么都不用學(xué)。
收入前1%的人里有一大部分都是醫(yī)生。
但另一方面他們的競(jìng)爭(zhēng)也很殘酷，除非爹媽有錢。他們通常從醫(yī)學(xué)院畢業(yè)之后就已經(jīng)32歲了，然后先當(dāng)實(shí)習(xí)醫(yī)生，你還得在某一方面有所專精，他們不僅要在那個(gè)年紀(jì)開始工作，并且通常背負(fù)大量的債務(wù)，而且每天要工作很長(zhǎng)時(shí)間。
我的妻子是一名公司律師，現(xiàn)在她不再往上擠了，所以每天除了早八晚五就沒有別的工作了，并且不需要周末加班，每年休滿六周假期，手里有股票期權(quán)，有獎(jiǎng)金，這些加起來總共年薪39萬美元，和一名底層醫(yī)生差不多，但她今年也是32歲，并且她從22歲那年高中畢業(yè)，本科提前畢業(yè)一年，兩年半讀完了法學(xué)院之后就開始掙錢了。
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你發(fā)現(xiàn)是誰一直在勸別人別學(xué)法嗎？那些不想要競(jìng)爭(zhēng)的律師。
All trades require hard manual labor and kick your ass overtime
所有的藍(lán)領(lǐng)職業(yè)都需要大量體力勞動(dòng)，并且會(huì)漸漸搞垮你的身子。
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Being a plumber or electrician or mechanic (if you're not a total dumbfuck) can make you damn good money
引用：“當(dāng)一個(gè)水管工，或電工，或機(jī)械師（只要你不是無可救藥的傻逼）能讓你賺很多錢”
只要你不在意以身體為代價(jià)，并且以后的一輩子都生活在痛苦之中。
我認(rèn)識(shí)的每個(gè)過40歲的藍(lán)領(lǐng)工人都有嚴(yán)重的背傷或膝關(guān)節(jié)問題。
Don't consider trade school unless you don't care about being cold/warm, working unstable hours and not having a steady stream of work all the time.
千萬別考慮技校，除非你不在乎冷熱，不在乎沒有規(guī)律的工作時(shí)長(zhǎng)，不在乎沒有穩(wěn)定的工作。
當(dāng)個(gè)藍(lán)領(lǐng)可能挺酷的，但你剛?cè)胄械臅r(shí)候干的工作很惡心，每次你加入一個(gè)新團(tuán)隊(duì)，你都得干最臟最累的活，直到有新人來替你，并且假如你想單干，除非你能干得過以前團(tuán)隊(duì)的人，否則你仍然要干臟活累活。工作時(shí)長(zhǎng)和工作種類都不固定（除非你是某個(gè)不專門負(fù)責(zé)安裝的公司雇傭的室內(nèi)電工/水管工/維修機(jī)械工人）。
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抱歉，但我覺得有必要把這些說一下。你確實(shí)不一定去讀大學(xué)，但技校也不是唯一的替代品（就算你去讀，可以讀的專業(yè)也比管道，電力之類的多得多）。
I did this and now at 27 my back is FUCKED and I am starting square one in the office world. Go to college kids.
我之前干這行，今年27，我的后背徹底完蛋了，現(xiàn)在我在從零開始坐辦公室。去讀個(gè)大學(xué)吧孩子們
This is a dumb point, for many reasons.
這個(gè)觀點(diǎn)非常愚蠢，有很多原因。
首先，不是所有人讀書都像你一樣輕松。
其次，假如你有最基礎(chǔ)的閱讀理解能力，并且能把注意力集中一分鐘以上，那么教科書就是很棒的學(xué)習(xí)資料。就算是最差勁的老師，也可以告訴你們一些他們的人生經(jīng)驗(yàn)和技能。
最后，學(xué)校不只是用來學(xué)習(xí)知識(shí)的地方。學(xué)校是討論，提問并解答問題，交作業(yè)并批改的地方。同時(shí)也是通過課程大綱告訴你接下來該學(xué)什么東西的地方。
事實(shí)上除了純學(xué)術(shù)道路之外也有很多事。你可以交新朋友，可以談戀愛，可以發(fā)現(xiàn)興趣，可以探索新的科目。
你把學(xué)校稱為“光明正大的看孩子”，證明你對(duì)于學(xué)校究竟是干什么的，究竟有多重要，一秒鐘都沒思考過。
There is a massive difference between learning the general idea of something and applying it on a test in a week versus getting a deep understanding of a subject you will be able to recall years down the line. A solid youtube video won't get you there for the second point. Learning to a decent level of understanding is a process that takes multiple iterations and time with the material.
搞懂某個(gè)東西的概要、并在一星期內(nèi)應(yīng)付這個(gè)東西的考試，與深入了解這個(gè)學(xué)科的知識(shí)、以便你幾年后還能回憶起來，這兩者之間天差地別。拍得再好的YouTube視頻也不會(huì)讓你做到第二點(diǎn)。學(xué)得好是一個(gè)需要重復(fù)迭代，在材料上花很多時(shí)間的過程。
In my experience it's exactly the opposite. In school you will learn how to answer correctly on a test, that's it. But your own research (be that through Youtube or other sources) will most likely get you to that second point.
但是從我個(gè)人的經(jīng)歷而言卻完全相反，學(xué)校里你能學(xué)到的只有怎么把題做對(duì)，沒別的了。但是你自己的研究（無論是通過YouTube還是其他平臺(tái)）都更有可能讓你達(dá)到第二點(diǎn)。
In my experience, if you don't have that deep understanding in higher-level math classes (like discrete math or graduate classes), for example, you will get absolutely annihilated. Studying for the test straight up doesn't work.
就我的經(jīng)歷而言，假如你沒有深入的理解的話，那么在高級(jí)的數(shù)學(xué)課程（比如離散數(shù)學(xué)或者其他研究生級(jí)別的數(shù)學(xué)課）上，你會(huì)被徹底落下。應(yīng)付考試的學(xué)習(xí)不管用。
not exactly higher level, but in linear algebra I found youtube INFINITELY more helpful than instruction. The visualizations were key. so it may depend on the specific content anyways
我說的不是高級(jí)的數(shù)學(xué)，就線性代數(shù)這方面我發(fā)現(xiàn)YouTube上的視頻比教科書好太多了。可視化是關(guān)鍵的因素。所以可能要具體學(xué)習(xí)內(nèi)容具體分析。
No arguments there. Linear Algebra has a notoriously shitty curriculum.
我認(rèn)同你的觀點(diǎn)。線性代數(shù)的課程設(shè)置是眾所周知的爛。
The fundamental problem is that the education system values recitation above creative problem-solving. From day one you're forced to conform to certain learning standards, recite them on assignments and exams, and then receive a quantitative grade that (arbitrarily) sorts good students from bad students. This system humiliates and demoralizes "bad students" and rewards "good students" with a sense of superiority. Nobody is really learning anything, we all just do the work until we can't take it anymore, then the school spits everyone out with a number that defines everyone's relative intelligence.
根本問題在于教育體制認(rèn)為死記硬背比創(chuàng)造性思維更重要（譯注：這話我熟??？）。從上學(xué)的第一天開始，你就要向設(shè)置好的學(xué)習(xí)標(biāo)準(zhǔn)妥協(xié)，在作業(yè)和考試中不斷背誦，然后拿到一個(gè)（獨(dú)斷地）把好學(xué)生和壞學(xué)生區(qū)分開的量化分?jǐn)?shù)。這個(gè)體制羞辱“壞學(xué)生”，并用優(yōu)越感獎(jiǎng)勵(lì)“好學(xué)生”。沒有人真的在學(xué)到東西，我們只是在工作到不能繼續(xù)工作，然后學(xué)校用一個(gè)評(píng)判我們相對(duì)智力的分?jǐn)?shù)把我們吐出來。
I agree completely.
我完全贊同。
這就是本科學(xué)歷的軟件工程師比培訓(xùn)班出來的程序猿掙得多的原因。但培訓(xùn)班出來的總是覺得他們跟科班出身的一樣好，按我對(duì)他們的經(jīng)驗(yàn)來看從來都不是這樣。
Collateral knowledge is a powerful thing. I first got an associate degree and then a bachelor's in engineering. I can tell you that after I got an associate's and worked for a bit I thought I knew just as much as an engineer. I got lucky because my manager actually gave a damn and tried to teach me stuff. That's when I realized how limited my knowledge was. It's funny that a lot of complexity just went over my head because I simply DID NOT KNOW. And because I did not know it did not even register in my head.
附帶的知識(shí)反而是非常重要的東西。我先拿了兩年制的學(xué)歷，然后拿的本科學(xué)士學(xué)歷。在我拿了兩年制學(xué)歷工作了一段時(shí)間之后，我以為自己和本科畢業(yè)的工程師懂得一樣多了。我很幸運(yùn)，因?yàn)槲业慕?jīng)理很在乎我，并且試著教我東西。我到這時(shí)才明白自己的知識(shí)有多狹隘。有很多復(fù)雜的問題我連想都沒想過，因?yàn)槲覊焊?知 道。因?yàn)槲也恢溃晕蚁攵疾粫?huì)去想。
You dont know what you dont know!
你不知道你究竟不知道什么！
但彼此的侮辱由來已久了。我認(rèn)識(shí)很多科班出身的工程師都帶著“比你聰明比你強(qiáng)”的態(tài)度，很多培訓(xùn)班工程師也帶著“我比科班工程師厲害”的思維。
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